Loaded subject
Over here, Eli’s own son is talking about unintended consequences.
Now, I know most people are gonna get their panties in a knot about this, and I don’t give a shit. This isn’t a discussion about abortion, but about something a whole lot more important.
I also have no desire to go on at Eli’s site, because I consider it rude, and I would not be rude to Eli at gunpoint. I disagree with him, and here’s the whys and wherefores.
If you’re a cabbie, and you don’t want to carry around someone who might be toting a BLT on whole wheat, because it’s not halal, good for you. Go wash cars instead. At that level there are LOT of jobs available.
If you’re a doctor, and you are a practicing Catholic, performing an abortion endangers your very soul.
First and foremost, a doctor- even a Catholic one- would NEVER refuse to perform an abortion on a woman whose child endangered her life, so let’s leave that aside. It’s a non issue, period. The issues is, a woman goes to a doctor she knows has a problem with abortion, he refuses, she sues him/her. This is not happening because not enough doctors are performng abortions. This is happening because people have an ambition to destroy religious people by forcing them to commit mortal sins.
We can make accomodations for the handicapped. Gay people. Rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists. How about a little love for doctors trying to do their jobs?
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A spouse who shall remain nameless went through this very thing while he was in the Air Force. The higher-ups decided the base hospital would start doing abortions, and he and another surgical tech, who was Catholic, said they would not participate. Making a long story short, this went all the way to the President, and it was determined that they could not be forced to participate in those procedures, since they were against their religious principles. There were other techs available to handle the duty, freeing the two opposed to do other procedures. It all worked out quietly, and semi-off the record, meaning there wasn’t much in the press about it.
Denise, that’s as it should be.
My local Wal-Mart (and, for that matter, CVS and Walgreens)are busy enough that they usually have several pharmacists on staff. At any given time (according to mom, who used to work in the cosmetics area) there was at least one non-catholic in the pharmacy who could give out the required meds. And when one pharm was on board by him/herself they always chose a non-catholic.
Other than a conscious desire to do damage to doctors who refuse to perform procedures that go against the grain of their religious beliefs, the problem at base is that our courts have allowed the yammering class to file lawsuits over such frivolous claims in the first place. For instance, recall the photographer in Arizona who was sued for refusing (politely) to take on a contract to shoot a lesbian couple’s committment ceremony, also on religious grounds.
If you can insist on your freedom to do a certain thing, I can insist on my freedom to refuse to condone your action, and further can refuse to assist you in the commission of same. That just seems like a natural right to me, superseding any man-made law to the contrary.
“How about a little love for doctors trying to do their jobs?”
Because unlike shitkickers, they’re not a politically protected group.
This is a BAD idea. There was a case in the UK where Muslim doctors and nurses in a hospital where MRSA was running rampant refused to wash hands to the elbows, for religious reasons.
Pres Bush this is a stupid idea. Very stupid.
sanitation is different from abortion. period.
So MunDane, how would you protect doctors from malicious persecution? Or does the need of a woman to abort a child outweigh the desire to protect one’s soul?
You do the job you signed up for. You don’t want to do abortions, be a podiatrist, cardiologist or neurologist. OB/Gyn isn’t only looking at pooters and delivering babies.
If you don’t like handing out birth control, don’t work as a pharmacist. This isn’t like you didn’t know such a thing would happen when you went into the profession.
If you want to make a principled stand then you take the punishment that goes along with it. This is no different in spirit than those idiot moonbats who scream about say AGW at a protest that they drove their Hummers to.
Furthermore, where does this end? Can a Muslim teacher ban a BLT or a ham sandwich from her classroom? Can a Jewish cop refuse to patrol on the Sabbath? How about a Seventh Day adventist doctor refusing to give you a blood transfusion?
Furthermore, doctors so inclined can enter private practice where, as their own boss, they can define what rules that they wish to follow.
Look, I am pro-life, but that is my personal decision. It has cost me jobs. The last thing I want is the government, especially the party of smaller government making the government oversight larger.
Furthermore, the soul of the woman trying to abort a child is a witness opportunity, but should she make the choice of her own free will to sin, it is on her, not me.
Finally, this isn’t legislating morality. This is trying to create a conscientious objector clause for a particular profession’s responsibilities.
THAT way lies danger, folks. For if you are so blind as to not see how that would bring everlasting harm to this nation, then you are willfully blind.
Your argument holds zero water. You need to think carefully about this.
Not washing hands to the elbows = deliberately endangering patients. Not performing abortions = zero effect. Anyone can go anywhere to get an abortion. This is specifically about people deliberately forcing doctors to choose between their licenses and their souls. You don’t become an OB/GYN to KILL CHILDREN. Those doctors who choose not to perform abortions do not create ANY HARDSHIP WHATSOEVER for anyone who wants an abortion. Those doctors deserve protection. I’m WAY more anti “new laws” than you can possibly imagine; but this is the first one of it’s type I’ve seen come down the pike that has any meaning. No, this will not lead to muslims throwing people out of class for having ham sandwiches, that is already happening without the benefit of any new laws. I repeat: We make law after law after law to protect scoundrels and fucktards, and you oppose a law that would protect decent people with morals who ARE DOING NO HARM and are CONFORMING TO THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH. You don’t have your head right on this.
Apparently doctors and scientists cannot determine, scientifically, when life begins, whether at conception or post-partum.
Fair enough.
If I’m hunting, and I take a shot at a rustle in the bushes and kill a 12-year-old out for his first hunt, I’m in trouble. I shouldn’t have taken the shot when I wasn’t sure what I would be killing.
Shouldn’t we afford the same caution to medical procedures that we expect Bubba to take in the woods?
As a society, we don’t. But would we tell more careful hunters that they must shoot even if they’re sure it’s not a deer? That would be unconscionable.
How is this different?
They have sanctuary cities that not only don’t force the police to do their job, they expressly forbid it, in regards to enforcing immigration law.
Why not have sanctuary hospitals? The doctors there not only can ignore the law that they have to abort, they can expressly forbid abortions in the sanctuary, period.
Watch, socialized medicine is a backdoor way to control and micromanage every aspect of your life. It’s not about health at all. It’s like the Steven King story you referenced a couple of posts ago. Except you don’t choose to give up cigarettes or lose weight.
If this wer about women who went to hospitals desperate for an abortion and could not get it under any circumstances, that would be different but it is NOT this is about activists attempting to force professionals to compromise their morality, and NOTHING ELSE.
Everyone who believes the world is now or is capable of becoming overpopulated is suspect on this subject.
From bitter experience I warn that no label — conservative, right, Republican — is enough to assure the person so cloaked is truly against abortion. The arguments have been so bent out of shape that there are many “conservatives” who willingly forget that the very first inalienable right is life. All the rest are supportive of that right.
Neanderpundit understands that; too bad those who self-assess themeslves as “advanced” have forgotten.
abortion is killing. Catholic doctrine is life begins at conception. I agree with that, and I agree that if some one doesn’t want to commit murder, unless it is a soldier and there you have volunteered, they shouldn’t. But Og, methodists?
LOL! Copy/paste the last couple pieces of the rant and google it. It’s from “Blazing Saddles”
Pascal, the reality is, people who don’t believe in God or retribution might not have any trouble with abortion. It’s a stance I find horrid, and I certainly don’t think MunDane is saying abortion is OK. I understand he wants no new laws, because with new law we always have that slippery slope. But in this case, the issue is clear: You do not have to force OB/GYN’s to do abortions for abortions to be available. There will always be people who will perform abortions. There will always be pharmacists to dispense birth control. Even the smallest town I ever visited had several pharmacies.
No, I don’t think MunDane is a member of the death cults, I just think he hasn’t thought this one through. THe slippery slope is the one which allows the doctors to be prosecuted, not the one that protects them.
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