Tam is a knucklehead!
A loveable, bright, and deadly knucklehead, but still,by her own admission. That’s fine, I know a lot of knuckleads, in many respects, I am one myself.
John Moses Browning, (PBUH), had a unique gift. He had the ability to not only hold the shapes of an assembly full of objects in his mind, but he had the ability to imagine their interaction in motion, his designs are wonderful for their simplicity and time has tested them and proven them to be elegant and functional.
Advances in metallurgy have allowed the original designs to be strengthened and improved, and advances in machining technology allow them to be made more efficiently.
Tam has a new “Project” gun she is planning- she has the receiver, knows exactly what kind of barrel she wants on it, and is seeking a slide to make her very personal, very high end weapon. She will carefuly research (and no doubt already has) each choice, and when she is done doing her research, she will drive her purchases hundreds of miles to a trusted gunsmith to make all of those parts come together in a masterwork of the gunsmith/owner/designer’s art. It will, if I know Tam at all, be a wondrous firearm to behold, and shoot.
And she will choose not to protect it with a $2 snapcap.
She has, as she states, the anecdotal evidence to give her a warm fuzzy feeling that, despite the lack of protection, everything will be fine. And statistically, she’s right. The odds of having problems of any kind are remarkably slim. But they are not zero.
Lets talk for a moment about statistics. When you’re manufacturing a product, the measurement of how well that manufacturing works is called Statistical process control. It was more or less invented by W Edwards Deming,who was the Alpha Geek of SPC. I went to a seminar produced by Mr Deming many years ago. SPC teaches, among other things, that the process be monitored constantly, using methods appropriate to the type of process, and that actions be taken to keep the process running smoothly. Rare events are approached as “fliers” or “Artifacts” and are often not even accounted for, or are assigned cause as required. As often as not, no action is taken, because taking action is usually not necesary, the situation that causes the rare event are, by their nature, rare.
Statistics where they relate to human life and it’s preservation are called “Risk Assessment” I know a bit about this, because a large portion of my job involves doing industrial manufacturing risk assessment.
In any situation where a human can be injured or killed, a risk is assigned. The amount of risk depends on the liklihood of injury, the amount of possible injury, and the cost of treating the injury or the cost of lawsuits etc. subsequent to the death of a person.
Balanced against that risk is the amount of effort that has been invested in mitigating that risk. A classic example is the “Piso mojado”signs in every Wal Mart. Instead of just leaving the floor wet, Walmart makes employees erect signs to warn people the floor is wet. This, according to their lawyers and the statistics of injury in their stores, is adequate protection.
In my world, there are often pieces of equipment that can kill. The operators of that equipment must come in contact with that equipment, but must simultaneously be protected from it. If a person has to place, for instance, a part of a gas grill into a press to have it stamped, there are several remedies. A pair of ropes can be attached to his hands to yank hs hands out of the way at the last minute (Don’t laugh. This is an actual system and it is still in operation in many places) a light curtain can be placed that prevents the press from cycling while anything is in the press, and many other solutions. The customer invariably chooses the solution they find works well for their situation and their employees and their budget.
Risk assessment means that every risk be examined and mitigated. Sometimes the mitigation is expensive, like light curtains and certain types of electronic safety equipment. Sometimes it’s inexpensive, like a “Wet floor” sign. The more inexpensive and easy to use it is, the more ridiculous it is, not to use it. Even if the risk is very small, mitigating the risk to near-zero is always preferable.
My luck is such that if I’ve been in the habit of dry-firing my carry pistol, when the zombiepocalypse arrives, I will be pointing it at a zombie and pull the trigger, and hear it go “click” but not “bang”. That will never be the case with me, it will not and cannot happen because of a firing pin embrittled by being dry fired. Plenty of other shit may and probably will happen, but that will not happen to me.
If snapcaps were made of pure unobtanium, one at a time, by a hermit in Tibet, I would be all over this. Expense is a perfectly legitimate reason to mitigate the trouble any other way- say, for instance, by having a “Dry fire” firing pin and a “non dry fire” firing pin. Or simply by using a spent round- the dented primer is a perfectly legitimate recipient of the force of a firing pin. I keep empty 22 cases around simply for that reason. And whether it’s a snap cap or a spent round, ALL FOUR RULES STILL APPLY.
Tam is well within her rights to think of me as a dumbass because of my disinterest in firing anything without a snap cap.
I am happy that I have the extensive knowledge of metallurgy, the understanding of how statistics work, and the ability to see the potential danger that allows me to, by using a simple and nearly effortless method, take a risk that is demonstrably non zero, and make it effectively zero.
Where trigger practice is concerned, everything that you can do by dryfiring can be done with a snap cap. There is no good reason not to do so. There are plenty of good reasons TO do so. I am not in the position to tell anyone what to do, and would not do so if I could. I CAN reccomend that people use snap caps, and i do, and I think it’s an excellent idea. if I owned a gun store, “Use snap caps’ would be an unbreakable rule. The customer can do what he wants to his gun when he pays fior it and takes it home.
Tam and I will probably always disagree on this, which is not likely to cause either of us any loss of sleep. When someone can prove to me that I am wrong, I will kiss their ass in times square. If, on the other hand, I can make someone a little more cautious, even if that caution is unwarranted, then my bitching will not have been in vain.
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I have no knowledge of metallurgy. However, I have knowledge of a broken firing pin. Many long years ago as a yoot I saved up the fifty bucks from months and months of demeaning labor to purchase a M94 Winchester Carbine from my uncle. I then proceeded to dry fire at least half an hour a night so that I might acquire the skill to shoot accurately, knowing intimately the feel of the trigger and the operation of the lever. Two days into that year’s deer season I had a very nice three point Coast Blacktail in my sights, squeezed the trigger and heard a click. Period. I carefully levered another round into the chamber, aimed, squeezed and heard another sickening click. The buck sauntered off snickering nastily. Neither primer had a mark on it. A new firing pin was just a few bucks and half an hour to install it. I’ve never dry fired another firearm without some type of buffer under the firing pin since. That’s over 50 years ago now.
Gerry N.
Dunno guys. I suppose it depends on how the firing pin stops its forward travel..In an SKS a firing pin jammed forward yields a full auto weapon. Some it doesn’t hurt. Some it does.
Some of the commenters on Tams site had read the manual and they had some manuals saying no probelm dry fire, some say no.
I don’t dry fire much. but I think chasing the caps might be less that enjoyable.
I would fall in the group that says do it at your own risk, I guess.
“Chasing caps” you do know that they don’t actually fire, right? You only have to “chase” them if you throw them.
I think he means if you cycle the action to chamber another, like in a lever rifle, and it ejects the first. Then you do indeed have to chase the damn thing.
The cat used to love it when I did that.
That’s just a lack of coordination. You rack the slide with your mitts over the ejection port.
That is why I wear a seatbelt
“In my world, there are often pieces of equipment that can kill. The operators of that equipment must come in contact with that equipment, but must simultaneously be protected from it.”
And, invariably, some dumbass (probably one that I work with) will bypass said safety precautions and get maimed.
The worst one was the asshole who rigged the safety cage on a 50′ long wire drawing machine so he could refill the die boxes with powered lube while the machine was running. Got snagged on the rod running through the machine and it pulled him through five metal roller turning him into dumbass paste.
“That’s just a lack of coordination. You rack the slide with your mitts over the ejection port.”
Speaking of non-zero risks, this is a habit that I have dropped.
When done with a live round, there is a good chance that fumbling this maneuver can impale the primer of the ejected round on the ejector while one’s mitt is over the ejection port.
Similarly, the gyrations that some people go through to demonstrate their catlike reflexes as they catch the ejected round are not conducive to good muzzle disciple.
I just let the round fall. It will be right there on the ground when I want to pick it up. Even if it rolls down a sewer grate, I’m only out a fifty-cent cartridge.
Ammo’s cheap. Guns are cheap. Flesh is expensive. ;)
Excep that were specifically referring to a snap cap. I never bother with live ammo either.
“Flesh is expensive.”
And permanent. I know people who have lost appendages from being careless. There is a kind of regret that comes from that sort of loss.
If your goinog to put yourself in harms way, it would be nice that it is for a good reason and one that you choose to do – not by accident due to trying to impress someone.
“Excep that were specifically referring to a snap cap. I never bother with live ammo either.”
Yes, but I’m a big fan of doing things the same way all the time. I wouldn’t want my hands to get confused.
And you won’t use a snap cap that precisely simulates loading a live round?:)
Many decades ago, just before one of my first hunts, my grandfather told me point blank, “If I ever catch you dry firing a weapon, I’ll pull your funny lookin’ ears off, and it’ll hurt, bad.”
He’s been dead for twenty years, but I still ain’t gonna chance losing my ears.
lol, good one Dick.
I vote for ‘simplicity’; I have enough confusion in my life now without deliberately adding to it.
My little Star firearms ought not be dry-fired *because* their metallurgy was spotty. .22s (and other rimfires) should not ‘cos it can peen the pin. Those are the only general rules I know. I always ask before dry-firing any gun that doesn’t belong to me, precisely because opinions vary and so does the susceptibility of a particular gun.
You don’t know that dry firing will hurt the firearm….But you do know that using a snap-cap will not hurt.
Yep, that’s always my bottomline. Thwart Murphy where you can, so you can be prepared when you can’t.
Whatever makes you feel better.
For some guns, it’s probably a good idea, especially if you consider them precious heirlooms.
I’ve been playing this particular game for money long enough to know that the pistol on my hip is going to get shot to death with live ammo long before I hurt it with dry-firing. (And it’s why I use the FP stops and FP springs I do.)
hey, like I’ve said before, your guns, you do as you like. Personally, I would sooner tell my mom to have unprotected sex with the Hungarian militia than tell someone it’s ok to dryfire anything without a snapcap, but that’s just me. I would consider it irresponsible to even suggest it. I do know this: Dryfiring without snapcaps = potential downside, dryfiring with snapcaps = no potential downside and potential upside.
Actually, I don’t have anything I’d consider a precious heirloom, but I like my guns fine.