There’s a good deal off bullshit being flung around
About “Witholding your vote” or “None of the above”
I have posted before of the ignorance of this position, and the underpants gnome logic it represents.
1: Don’t vote!
2: ???????
3: SUCCESS!
Not one person anywhere ever has been able to show me anything like a coherent plan that bridges step two.
1: In a revolution, the wrong side almost invariably wins.
Yes, I know there are a lot of people out there sitting metaphorically in mom’s basement polishing up their stamped steel AK-47 sitting on spam cans of ammo awaiting the moment they can rise in righteous wrath against the evil oppressors. Everyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that they will be the first casualties should the shit really hit the fan.
But of course that’s never going to happen, it’s just the wet dream of a bunch of wannabes. If the shit hits the fan here it will be because of external influence or natural disaster. The fedgov knows it can win the war of attrition and that’s just what it will do.
2: Atlas will never Shrug
I also know there are wads of people “Going Galt”. God bless you. You’ll always be able to say what a thoughtful and noble thing you have done- but remember Atlas Shrugged is a work of fantasy, and not really even fiction. The real world does not work like that, and never will. Very few large manufacturing empires are operated by individuals, and in fact, some of the biggest are now in thrall of the fedgov to begin with. There will be no starving of the beast. You will starve to death long before that. Additionally, small businessmen will not and cannot do this; if you run a business with a handful of employees you care about them, because they have become a part of your extended family. So you will shuffle things here and tweak things there until you can keep the business afloat and your employees employed and as much cash as you can coming in, because that’s what small businessmen do. They do not send their workers home and bugger off in a fit of pique. And don’t even start telling me you know this guy who knows this town that has this factory where they all “Went galt”. For every anecdotal piece of bullshit you can dredge up I can take you to ten of my customers who are doing exactly what I say because that’s how real business runs, not like Ein Rands’ fantasy businesses.
3 “X is JUST AS BAD as Y”
God, I hope reincarnation is possible and if it is I hope to whatever powers exist that I can come back as each of your mothers and wash your mouths out with soap for telling such fucking ignorant lies. While it is true that the “right” has become as complicit as the “Left” in the mess we currently enjoy, it is because we have trained them to be that way- by “None of the above”. Is it so fucking hard to notice that each time you sit out an election the “republican” candidate on offer gets further and further left? And why do you think this is? God forbid you begin to understand that the party thinks that’s what you WANT because you “STAYED HOME AND SENT A MESSAGE!!!” Yes. The message is, you’re stupid, and bad at math. People capable of learning can see the lesson that the left teaches us. “I will vote for this guy warts and all, because he is at least OUR guy, and even if he only heads a tiny bit in our direction, it is at least OUR DIRECTION and not the other.” In this manner we went from the summer of love, to the first Affirmative action president. From 12 billion spent on welfare to nearly 700 million last year. From a country where manufacturing and energy production flourished and thrived to a country that manufactures the dependant poor. Look at all the film of those smelly hippies dancing at Woodstock and smoking dope in Haight Ashbury. They are now the media, the labor union leaders, and the teachers indoctrinating your children. They got what they wanted, and they got there one babystep at a time. THAT is how it’s done. A toe in a door here and there and close adherence to Alinsky(Thanks, Mr B) and in fifty years you are in control.
Baudelaire said “the devil’s best trick is to persuade you that he doesn’t exist”. In this way, so many people have been hoodwinked into “believing” that the correct course of action is to back away from the process. They have bought the leftist lie hook, line, and sinker, and are doing everything they can to convert others to their way of thinking- which will, of course, result in the left getting what they want faster- which is their point. No, it won’t cause things to collapse. No, there won’t be any reckoning., There will only be a whole bunch of people siting around convinced they are doing the right thing for reasons that a ten year old can argue their way around. Each time I bring this up the violent nastiness I get from the feebleminded fools who are too stupid to figure this out for themselves and can only parrot the underpants gnome theory they’ve accepted is insanely venomous- and not one person yet has told me how any of it will fix anything.
I’m tired of it. I’m tired of explaining how fucking stupid this idea is. The left has proven it is possible to get anything it wants simply by tiny increments, so long as each increment is even the tiniest bit in their chosen direction. They have shown us how this tool works, proven it’s efficiency, and we have even tested it ourselves effectively with the NRA and GOA and what they have done to ratchet back gun control. We know this works. We also know that it takes a long time. And most are too goddamned impatient, wanting what they want NOW. Well, sorry. As Bill Whittle sys in this excellent essay labeled “Bamboo Spears” this will not happen overnight.
“That message – that smart, common-sense, responsible conservative message – cannot change. That message is the entire reason we are fighting this battle in the first place. But I have to stop thinking like an American – which is not only hard but extremely distasteful for me – and start thinking like the Viet Cong. I have to start thinking the way the Left itself started thinking forty years ago. They didn’t come out and say GET YOUR COMMUNISM HERE. They turned students into professors who then turned out more students. That’s how we have to think: the Long March.”
Yes, it’s more than just voting; it is education and infiltration of every orifice of the world that the left has claimed, but those are only hammers; the Vote is the nail. And since it costs nothing and can do you no harm (and anyone who coughs up the canard about “X being JUST AS BAD AS Y” is too fucking stupid to live, and should slit his wrists, lengthwise, right now) and by incrementing back we can reclaim our heritage. Will it be next election? No. Impatient much? Will it be in my lifetime? Certainly not, if we can’t get these idiot off their asses and to the polls. But it can be done.
We cannot, as I have said, vote our way out of this- but we can increment our way back to a place where the votes can be meaningful again; to do so we must participate in the process.
All the “None of the above” crap has another very bad taste for me, because it has happened so many times in the past.
In Exodus, Dathan collaborates with the Egyptians- not openly, but he is just against Moses, which amounts to the same thing. He is comfortable with the Egyptians, why should he leave? You will remember him in the Ten Commandments as played by Edward G Robinson.
In the Warsaw Ghetto- as depicted in Mila 18, there were collaborators, Jewish guards who wore blue armbands who the others called “Mamzers” (Bastards) who kept the ghettos quiet until the Nazis could ship them off to the camps.
Across the world in every culture that deals with livestock in large numbers, exist the Yudasgoat- an animal trained to lead other animals- sheep, cattle, horses- to and through pens and often to their slaughter.
In the original book by Bram Stoker, Renfield is a willing servant of evil. A living human with loyalty to the undead, acting as a facilitator of evil- a herdsman, as it were, of human food for it’s masters.
So for these collaborating Israelites, these blue banded mamzers, these yudasgoats, these Renfields, nothing. Their plan is to “(use) your time to prepare for the coming Troubles.â€
Let me know how that works out for you, Renfield.
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I love reading this stuff. It has never made sense to me what those idiots do. I won’t vote for McCain because he (insert here Palin, immigration, or what ever floats your boat) so they elected not to vote.
If you don’t vote for one guy you are voting for the other regardless of whether you cast a vote or not.
I trust a guy who survived 5 ejections more that some one who strong armed some businesses into paying protection money.
I trust a business man who ran the Olympics more that the man who said he will fundamentally change how America works.
I don’t know who those rat bastards will nominate this time you can bet I will vote for them.
No one in the coming in the coming trials will be able to get off with a moral victory, if there even is such a thing.
Well said. The current political market is all dems vs republicans. but if just 5% of the disaffected could be brought back in from the cold, it could shift electoral outcomes all across the nation. Not just in the final R vs D outcomes, but in the local races and primaries that choose who the candidates will be.
I really understand why people give up and tune out. It just so happens it is exactly the wrong answer.
Note that you won’t see any Repubs trying to get the disaffected to come back. That is because those guys would vote TEA party candidates and the Repub party can’t abide that.
In the last election, about 100 million votes were cast. In a nation of 300 million people. 100 million were not eligible (children, aliens, incarcerated felons). That leaves more than enough to swallow up the other two parties combined.
Shit, the only reason I voted for McCain was in the hope that he’d drop dead the day after inauguration. I was really voting for Palin, and not because of her looks, either.
Hell, I’d vote for McCain if I thought that would kill him.
It’s as if we’re in a damned tug of war, and a bunch of the people supposedly on our side said “hey, they’re cheating!” and just dropped the rope.
Pick up the damned rope and start pulling, you self absorbed pieces of shit. Some of us actually love America and want to see her succeed.
If a very large contingent of people don’t vote and it results in a hammering at election day of say, 65 to 35 percent for the presidential race, several things could happen.
For examples, the Republican party could collapse or they could actually change into a more conservative party. Enough folks might look around and believe there’s enough momentum out there for a new party.
Yes, I admit to being impatient.
I’m not sure the incrementalism towards more a more conservative Republican party will ever actually happen given the present and trending demographics in this country.
So, there are two forces driving my decision to sit it out. The first is a hope for a radical change at this late stage and the second is a realization that we may have already “lost” this Republic -which makes me focus my energy on other strategies.
Just so you know, based on urging from you and others, I worked quite a bit on get out the vote efforts and was active in my county party as an officer, so I have made an effort. I have just found it to be, in this county, not worth my time.
Just to be clear: I would have voted for McCain even without Palin. But it was easier to do so with her on the ticket.
I have voted republican every election since I have been able. First election I could was Carter, I think. Only one I was happy with was Reagan.
the Democrats have not interested me since they led the last civil war. Bunch of ninnies all.
My first Presidential election was 1980. But I would have voted for Ford in ’76, even if I did have a “REAGAN 76” sticker on my first car.
Oh, and just for gigs and laffles, I ran across this a few minutes ago, something I wrote back in 2009:
“The problem with Randians is that their heroine and goddess, Ayn Rand, was not a native of our shores, and as such, she did not think like one of us. She was a Russian who had escaped the early days of Communism. And she thought like a Russian peasant — lie down and take it (socialism) till you can’t take it anymore, then dream of a Utopia where everyone is enlightened and free and just waiting for the rest of the country to collapse so you can walk out and teach the poor benighted souls how to stand up for themselves as good Objectivists.”
I used to say that I was an Objectivist in my youth. And then I grew up.
Problem is…The R’s are pulling on the same side of the rope as the D’s. Just not as hard.
Oh really? Every single one? You’re sure about that? Or is it a lie you choose to believe to absolve you of dropping your end? That attitude is at the core of the problem.
Posted on Sat Oct 27 18:12:11 2001 by Avoiding_Sulla
… IMHO, the best advice: WORK HARD. Here’s what that work requires:
OFFENSE
— Form a group of like-minded individuals to watch all PRIMARY races.
— Identify all RINOs and potential RINOs you can.
— Make sure all RINOs have real opposition.
— Work like the Dickens to keep like-minded real conservatives from running against each other.
— Now, more than ever (as you pointed out) Dems are outa favor. So don’t let the RINOs even try to sell you that their form of compromise is the only thing will win in the general election. Being laughed off the stage is the kind of humiliation RINOs deserve. It might even scare ’em straight.
DEFENSE
Every party committee has its Establishment thugs and RINO disrupters. Be prepared.
— Your group must attend these things in force and not let “those in charge” dictate the agenda.
— Make sure one of you is expert in Roberts’ Rules of Order. Then you will be heard.
— The size of your group will grow, and the RINOs’ will shrink. Be accessible and receptive.
— Be on the look out for attempts to derail you. Threats, bribes, flattery and personal attacks. Hard ball.
— Be on the look out for attempts to stall you. Phony adjournments, committee assignments not of your choosing (being made chair comes under flattery), and other red-herrings.
I’m sure there are others to whom you can turn to add to this list. Nothing worth achieving comes easily. This all requires hard work. The Progressives haven’t brought us to what appears to be the brink of annihilation (but that’s another story) because they didn’t work hard.
Either not voting or, worse, voting Democratic because some Republican doesn’t do what he ought is the conservative’s form of throwing a tantrum. It’s not only disruptive and counterproductive, it looks and sounds liberal. For recent examples of this, look at those phony pacifists (nee anarchists) turning violent.
Stop whining and sounding like a spoiled liberal. If you really want to change things, you must work at it. Now that I have given you a formula for how to go about it, what’s your excuse?
John: Do those ideas sound good to you inside your head, too? Because I cannot think of any of them without thinking how ludicrous they are. Let’s take the ideas one by one: A 65% victory of democrats. Hell, let’s say 80%. Well, if I have a choice between oatmeal raisin cookies in my store, and chocolate chip, and the chocolate chip sells more, do I stop stocking chocolate chip and stock more oatmeal raisin because that is clearly what people want? No. If a large proportion of people come out for democrats, what it will mean is this: THe democrats win. Oh, and also, the Republicans think to themselves “Well, everyone voted liberal, so in order to get elected, we have to be more liberal”. You know, like what we have now.
Then there is this:
“I’m not sure the incrementalism towards more a more conservative Republican party will ever actually happen given the present and trending demographics in this country.”
Well, then, let’s just all give up. Forget that incrementalism works, forget that it has been proven to work, and is in fact how we got where we ARE, let’s just give the fuck up. Drop the rope, because what good is doing anything?
OK, Renfield.
yeah, like so
http://www.reactiongifs.us/slow-clap-citizen-kane/
You vote for the best candidate, period. And if you don’t have a candidate you like in your local elections, then go out and find one. Get involved. Stand up and look the statist bastards in the eye, tell them they’re full of shit, and show them what right looks like.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. Obama is in office because Conservatives refused to vote for Romney. How’s that work out for you folks, hmmmmm? You happy now? If you are, you need to get your prescriptions updated.
Agreed. Nothing to add. Will share.
The majority of the R’s in power are pulling left. They despise the Tea Party as much if not more than the D’s. Backing a liberal party with a few conservatives is in no way better than backing a liberal party with no conservatives in it. (Backing the individual conservatives is still constructive.)
Way to utterly miss the point Renfield.
Sorry for the delayed response. Yes, using the cookie analogy, I think if the oatmeal raisins do really poorly maybe it is time to replace them with another type because in the US political store, it seems only two types of cookies are available. So, not voting is an effort to force a change (in the types of cookies available). You may believe it is a dangerous and risky approach and I acknowledge that.
As for incrementalism, yes it has worked amazingly well in the arena of firearms and freedom. That approach may not work with respect to incrementally dismantling the welfare state. One is the changing of laws which really don’t cost anybody anything and the other is cutting back on food and money given to a huge percentage (over 50% now?) of the population. I don’t believe these massive welfare programs have ever been cut since their inception.
And it isn’t giving up on life, it is giving up on working within the present political system and working on improving one’s life through other efforts.
So you utterly missed the point again. According to you, the way to get people to buy the oatmeal raisin cookies is to eat more chocolate chip,
As for incrementalism, tell me why we should all abandon a proven strategy because you think it may not work. Show your work.
It is not giving up. It is specifically being a traitor to your fellow humans, and nothing else.
Probably too late to be seen by anyone, but:
There’s a guy calls talk radio locally and the Bill Bennett Show, Ken from Livonia.
Could not vote for Romney for being a Mormon! Sat it out.
Now he calls shows and complains he’s lost his health care.
Cannot connect the dots.
I’ve pointed it out on air.
Blind.