In 1932
Communists roused 3000 odd unemployed men to march on the Rouge works in Detroit, where several man were gunned down and others wounded.
This was the culmination of a concerted effort by union organizers to gain public sympathy- and the co-operation of Ford workers.
This is going to be long, so you might want to get a coffee and pee before reading below the fold. I’ll try to be as brief and as coherent as possible.
Ford workers at the time- and i know because I’m descended of them- lived under some pretty opressive conditions. The work was hard, the hours long, the conditions dangerous. And these were the best jobs to be had anywhere, at the time. People FOUGHT to get to work 12 hour days in factories that were boiling hot in summer and freezing cold in winter, on machinery that was intrinsically unsafe to operate. And they were- as my grandfather said- tickled to get those jobs, because they paid better than anything else, just about anywhere.
They had a right, however, to better conditions. And they needed a way to get them. And the only way that existed a the time was the unions.
I’ve had this discussion in the past with M alger, and dropped it because I had no desire to be contentious, especially not with someone I like and respect as much as Mark.
Bottomline was, and is, I’m correct, and I gave up the discussion at the time because of my lack of ability to articulate what I was talking about in an understandable manner.
Now, I think I’m ready.
Kim du Toit speaks of Elephants Stumbling, and I completely understand and concur- I hope I can be as eloquent in my description of my concept as he is of his.
See, as I discussed with Mark Alger, this was a time when industry had been in the habit of running roughshod over it’s employees, and there was zero reason to stop, because it was the depression, and if anyone complained, they got their asses fired, and they had their pick of thousands of people waiting outside to get the recently vacated job.
Mark maintained that the market would solve this problem. And he’s correct, the market would eventually have solved it, but would have done so on the backs of millions of Americans. IN that era, people starved to death. A lot of people.
The right looks at the “solutions” of the unions, of the communists, of the statists, of the socialists, and sneer. And rightfully so- because those “solutions” are- like unions- worse than the problems they solve, by orders of magnitude. It is unquestionable that the introduction of socialist trade unions have been the downfall of many of our best industries, and the cancerous spread of their influence has been worse than disastrous.
The problem is, while the left in general provides dangerous, stupid, self destructive and horrible solutions to problems, the right provides nothing whatsoever. The conventional conservative wisdom is that the market will solve about anything you can throw at it. And it will. But it doesn’t do a goddamned thing for the guy who lost both his hands feeding sheet metal to a press, and now cannot work and has zero protection and no barrier between himself and his family, and starvation. Will the market eventually figure this out? Sure. Will the average joe- whether he believes it to be correct or not- wait for that resolution? Fuck no!!!
SO here is Og’s third law. I think I’ve covered enough of the basics to make this understandable:
When the left offers bad short term solutions and the right offers no short term solutions to a given problem, the right deliberately abandons the reins of power to the left.
(Here’s one and two, for newcomers)
because as Mrs D wisely says here:
“We’ve had these discussions so many times on this website. People, in general (and in a significant majority) DO NOT CARE. They do not care, as long as they get their can of beans three cents cheaper. They don’t care if that savings puts 7 people out of work in their hometown, causes their neighbors to become unemployed, or enables unfair or unscrupulous business practices. “
People will vote for the candidate, or union, or organization, that saves them three cents on the can of beans. People will always opt for the short term solution instead of the long term market based solution, because right this very minute, the short term (and DEMONSTRABLY) worse solution improves their lives right away.
As i said in those old discussions with Mark Alger, there has to be a better way.
And there is. It was staring me in the face all along, so close I literally touched it every day.
In 1932, Henry Ford had become so damned bullheaded- so convinced his employees owed him their lives because he provided them with employment, that he chose to fight instead of try to compromise.
The Japanese, after WW2, chose to compromise. They learned the lessons of W Edwards Deming where we did not- and they put them in place. IN almost every Japanese manufacturing facility there is an Employee council, whose job is to act as mediator in company/employee disputes, crosstrain employees so they can be moved easily from one job to another, and work with the company to find ways to be more productive and profitable.
The Japanese model- actually, the Deming model- is a good one, though not the best for everything- but it proves that even the toughest problems can have solutions.
One of the battles we’re fighting now is healthcare- and anyone with two brain cells understands that socialized medicine is a disaster of biblical proportions- but guess what? if the American public has to decide between Iraq “free health care” Osama and “Just wait a while, the healthcare system will eventually get more efficient and affordable” Guess which one will win?
There IS a better way. There is ALWAYS a better way. And if we don’t make an effort to find it, and impliment it, in a way that the American public finds palatable, and which also allows for improved efficiency and reduced government simultaneously, we are dropping the reins of power, and forcing them into the grip of our enemies. We have PROVED that this WILL HAPPEN over, and over, and over, and over again.
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I have to mostly agree with Og. The playing field isn’t equalized for a number of reasons that the market doesn’t give a damn about.
The medical care problem is a damn good example.
From the very start: As long as the number of physicians remains limited by the med schools (a deliberately engineered market shortage not unlike guild restrictions this country eliminated once we broke off from England) it’s foolish to think such a market will correct short of consequently increasing the number of fatal victims of that market and thus lethally decreasing the demand for its services.
Same with successful malpractice suits and legal fees forcing medical liability insurance through the roof. The AMA continues to protect many of its worst, thus leaving the legal “market” to correct that professional stonewall.
And then another of the things that makes the current medical system so abominable is the huge discrepancy between what a medical charge is and what gets written off as a prior negotiation between a medical office and insurance companies it recognizes.
For instance I got blindsided last spring by a opthalmologic follow-up procedure. Original procedure of 7 years ago was with a PPO doctor. I had asked ahead of time and his office said he was still abide the PPO. Then the bill came in and was charged at above the price of the original procedure and the insurance company only covered 10% less my deductible. All of the rest was my obligation – $3K. Fortunately for me this doctor was understanding, and accepted the insurance allowable.
This points out how insurance company prior negotiations are not unlike unequal justice being provided for different walks of life. Woe to anyone who doesn’t know how this works ahead of time and puts in an effort to negotiate fees themselves.
In it’s odd way, insurance once provided as an incentive to go to work for a particular company or to sign on with a union, has now created at least two classes of people: those who can get reasonable insurance that covers most charges — often reduced to 10 cents on the dollar — and those who have no insurance or can only get crumby insurance (that pays only “usual and customary charges” that haven’t been usual and customary for 40 years).
Now someone can probably split hairs about how the free market has been prevented from operating in all of the above. So, what is the solution to that? That the established order suddenly decides that it is in its own best interest to clean up its own house? Without pressure and coercive threat they won’t, and with pressure and coercive threat you have another set of problems — such as an ever growing number of regulatory agencies up to finally arriving at single payer plans like socialized medicine.
I can see here where how Og keeps bringing up cricket bats for a reason. One fine tuned application of such could eliminate all need for government intrusion in the health care industry.
very interesting, og.
the strange thing to me is the idea that government COULD fix healthcare. they have clusterf$ct the only healthcare they do manage, Medicare & Medicaid.
the newer free market solutions, like HSAs and high deductible plans are still money guzzlers, but they have improved the corporate insurance structure significantly from kind of a mad ass rape down to more of a gentle prison beating.
great post.
It was a very different world back then. Shoot first, ask questions later. Nobody gave a first thought to “due process” when Feds or cops ambushed and killed Dillinger, Bonnie & Clyde, Homer Van Meter, etc.
No, people will not always go for the quick fix. YOU aren’t Og and neither are alot of people by the sounds of it.
The sad fact is there is no better way to do handle health care than the way you are doing it now. In Canada we have universal health care and our system is in the same shape yours is. It is so bad, our big wheels don’t bother with it – they take their health needs to the US and pay for it on demand rather than getting in long waiting lines in Canada.
As usual, the market has the answers. You need to run mor doctors through the system. You need to increase the competition out there for patients. You have to cut red tape and make it easier and cheaper to put new doctors and drugs on the street.
In Canada our College Of Physicians uses tactics that Henry Ford would have approved of to assure themselves high fees, reduced competition and job security. I will bet you dollars to donuts yours are too.
But the sad truth of it is: it doesn’t get any better than it does now for you. Not unless you can change the way your professionals run the industry.
“No, people will not always go for the quick fix. ”
Maybe not everyone- but a powerful lot of them. Enough to drive the nation to ruin, certainly.
You’re right, Og. People WILL go for the quick fix. Which is why our government is SUPPOSED to be a leavening force. But, having been hijacked by statists-who-list-to-port, it is no longer so.
You have, I think, adduced the contention Bill Buckley made years ago: that which is not explicitly conservative, will inevitably overtime become liberal.
And I think you also have made my point: the market eventually WILL solve all. And, if you dick with it enough in an attempt to put off the inevitable, you MAY not like the solution.
While I think the answer is better education in economics, market forces are not so kind. They’ll educate you the hard way. Used to call that the School of Hard Knocks.
M
Problem is, if everyone dies in the school of hard knocks before the market can fix it, what’s the point?
Everyone WON’T die. “Was mich nicht umbrinngt…” SOME will survive.
Some WILL survive.
Think of it as evolution in action.
You seen the so-called Heinlein Memorial Disclaimer that’s floating around the ‘sphere today?
Kinda like that.
M
And, BTW, I say that with the full realization that I, personally, am not guaranteed personal survival in all of that.
M
Sorry. if I have to choose between “some” and “Most” I will choose Most. “Some” is not only inadequate- but stupid. If the market in its infrinite wisdom destroys the race, then it destroys itself, and a darwinian adaptation to one force will create specialization, and specialization is death to the race. Imagine this: The market- because of whatever forces- makes healthcare so impossible to obtain that only the intrinically healthy and the super rich survive.
Now, an enemy comes along who demand our best and brightest figtht them.
But the best and brightest are all dead. Only the supremely healthy and the rich survived the market-driven darwinian healthcare system.
Yes Og, that is another way of stating what I wrote in my first point of comment number 1.
It seems that the medical profession has always been aiming for that, but they may not have realized it. And their aim was all but impossible as long as there existed unrecognized, unofficial healers to whom people could go for treatment. Under Hillary Care, licensing would become more restrictive, and health would decline overall with the exceptions you mentioned.
The haters of humanity have been chortling over this development for, as Mark put it, “And, if you dick with it enough in an attempt to put off the inevitable, you MAY not like the solution.”
The entire point of the post was NOT to point out that we needed to “dick with it enough in an attempt to put off the inevitable” but to show that there are ways to HASTEN the inevitable while helping people arrive at better solutions on their own. The Japanese have proved it to be possible. And progressive thinking companies (no, not THAT kind of progressive, but “real” progressive, meaning “interested in PROGRESS”)are doing so as well. We can do this. We HAVE to do this. We can’t stand many more generations of NOT doing it.
No, “dick with it enough in an attempt to put off the inevitable” is not the idea, but “dick with it enough so real solitions that fit market forces and work for (almost) everyone” is.
Yeah. I tried to extend the one post above saying in essence “Wouldn’t it be nice…?” if we could/could have adopt/~ed Deming’s model instead of Gompers’. If tax-code social engineering had encouraged truly progressive behavior on the part of business, rather than entrenching the feudal, coercive model.
Managed to trip over my own… er… tongue and deleted most of it before posting.
Don’t disagree. It’s just not what happened, no matter how one might wish otherwise.
M
And, if coercion can be kept out of it long enough, people WILL find their own solutions.
And the statists will STILL try to stamp it out — witness the whole goat screw with WalMart’s in-store clinics.
Can’t have competition with the One True Way, Truth, and Light, doncha know.
M
yep.
Yep. The statists already immensely don’t approve of Og’s favorite solution, one that I am finding hard to deny is begging to be applied to just one statist in broad daylight.