A lot of hay is being made
about the fact that a lot of the people in positions of power in the churches (Catholic and otherwise) supported the health Care bullshit.
And there is a good deal of truth to that; there are a powerful lot of those retards who thought this was a good idea.
I’m willing to cut them a little slack however, for a couple of reasons people don’t think too much about.
Find the nastiest area close to you, be it the south side, or downtown Motown, or wherever. Drive around with cash sticking out of your pocket, and get mugged and shot.
When you wake up, you will probably be in a Catholic hospital, or at least a hospital affiliated with a religious group. The “for profit” hospitals tend to be in nice, clean, well heeled neighborhoods where the income is high. Why should they care for those people who can’t pay their bills?
Those hospitals have good trauma units. They generally have a good ER. Their ICU is usually well managed and well staffed.
And they don’t pull a profit, and they never turn anyone away.
Oh, they’ll do their best to bill everyone that shows up, but talk to the people that do the billing and see how often the hospital gets paid for emergent care. And a poweful lot of people in those areas use the emergent care as thir primary physician- illegals, the homeless, the dregs of society. The Catholic Church and many other religious organizations (And a much smaller number of non religious not-for-profits) are the ones who have been providing that care for a powerful long time, and their reward is increasing government interference in the way they do business.
So yeah. A lot of Catholic leadership has opined for universal health care. Why not? They’ve been providing it, for almost as long as there has been health care. I bet they’d like someone else to carry a little of the burden once in a while.
No, this does not excuse stupid, but I felt like it would be a nice idea if people actually thought of this.
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I never thought they had any sinister intentions in their support for this lunacy, just disappointed that they couldn’t see exactly where this would lead. Also surprised that anyone with any knowledge of history at all would think that transnational progressives have an iota of tolerance for any organizations but their own.
Yep. Like I said, it doesn’t excuse the stupid, but maybe explains the motives.
I’m sure there are plenty of areas where Og’s view of the distribution of Catholic hospitals is accurate. I don’t think the Greater Indianapolis area is one of them. My wife and I live less than a mile from the local Catholic hospital, and our neighborhood certainly isn’t bad.
Although even in the Indianapolis area, I suspect there are an awful lot of poor people who patronize Catholic hospitals.
Oh, no question there are Catholic hospitals in nice areas too; but if you’re in a shithole, your odds of finding one of the “Nice” hospitals is… slim.
The key to finding awakened allies there is to press this realization upon them. “What could you have been thinking? Or rather not thinking?”
As you followed your religious beliefs to care for the less well off and ill, you felt burdened by all the money you had to spend to keep your hospitals open. No doubt members in your hierarchy suggested that the government has powers to fund such thing that your tithing calls seems not quite sufficient to fill. Why not support secular “universal” healthcare? Yeah? Why not didn’t get such a long inspection did it?
Did you forget that “He who pays the piper calls the tune?” So now that the government has begun to tell you how to operate your hospitals and what you have to provide, you are surprised?
Hey, don’t you have parishioners who went to the mob for a loan to cover a momentary shortfall and then found himself in the position where he was not running his business any longer and he somehow could never ever find enough money to make the debt repayment?
So, maybe the Chicago way has gone too far, and maybe we have churches who’ve suddenly gotten religion. We’re told that miracles never cease. God help us.
The thing is, the catholics failed to realize that this mandate was theft. Plain and simple. They did not care that forcing someone to do what they already were doing VOLUNTARILY was not according to the tenets of their faith.
They didn’t care, as long as someone took care of the downtrodden.
Despite the fact that it removed the nobility of their cause.
Of course, they also failed to see the steel fist inside the velvet glove.
Sorry, they were stupid, and while I think that the decision will not end well, they should have no exemption that any other employer gets. I too have a philisophical issue with trying to give everyone something for “free”, but I get no exemption, and neither should they.
I do hate to see the fact that they are caught in a trap of (partially) their own making though.
Sorry, they were stupid
Am I stupid? I’m a catholic.
I didn’t fail to see anything. And a powerful lot of folks are just like me.
Tell me, why do i deserve to suffer from other people’s stupidity? You voted for Obama, being in indiana. You got the government you deserve. Are you stupid, because you voted for Obama? You didn’t? How come all the electoral votes went to him, then?
To condemn the whole religion because of the stupidity of the few, you have to be willing to say “hoosiers voted Obama. They deserve what they get” because it is equally true. Don’t you? or do you get a pass because you’re not Catholic? Where do i get one of those passes?
Also: I got nipples, can you milk me?
I like raw milk. Occasionally, I like raw milk, in the raw. However, just because you have nipples, does not mean I would attempt (drunk or sober) to milk ya for your milk (were such a thing possible), in the raw or otherwise.
Look, there are stupid people in all walks of life. Though some occupations will see the level of stupid drop quickly enough, due to the high level of darwinism present, (Think pilot, explosive ordinance tech, to name just two.) most are going to be around weither you want them to be or not. So it isn’t just the Catholics, and or Hoosiers. Look at the path of government is on. Look which side is getting us to the point where there will be precious little difference between us and what the USSR used to be. Now look at all the progressives/libtards who happen to be Jewish. Did their grandparents (and maybe great grand parents) never tell them about the pogroms back in mother Russia (and various other parts of Europe, before the bit of nastiness care of the Germans came to pass? Yet they still vote Democrat. There is a classic case of stupid … right there.
Guy: If stupid were painful, I’d be surrounded by people in agony.
I have gone to the ICU without insurance. The bill was about 4x what it would have been had I had insurance.
It is a scam, pure and simple. Insurance is to protect against the unforseen. The pile of money the isurance compainies had was higher than the claims. Dopctors realized that and raised the claims part they could control.
Then to put icing on the cake we got the government involved protecting the hospitals from the losses do to the unisured.
See not everyone who shows up with no insurance pays the bill, when the bill is unpaid the government picks up the tab.
The rat bastards in the hospital now have incentive to jack the price to the moon. Which they have done.
20 years ago the goverment tab at hospital was 53 billion dollars. Last year it was just shy a trillion.
Until a rate card is posted at the docotrs office for every service provided regardless of payment we, the people, are getting the shaft.
That cave up in the moiuntains is looking better every day.
Good point Og, GOOD point!
What pray tell happens when the Bishops decide to follow the teachings of Christ before the caterwaulings of the unwashed and politicians? Maybe they will simply opt not to employ anyone any longer. Then something like 12% of our hospitals, care facilities and hospices just close. Go to Paw Paw’s house and look for his take on it.
THe difference is that I actively try to change who my state votes for.
You go to church every sunday. and you tithe.
ANd that church still keeps the bishops and clergy which supported Obamacare, even if the Church did not take a position.
That would be the same Church which keeps allowing Pfleager to keeps spewing his bullshit and hate.
and, let us not forget the other recent church actions which caused so much trouble for them and so many of their children. Same church.
Do you really want to come here amd tell me what i do, and what the church does, B? Because i can lay the truth on you, and it will not be to your liking.
I sincerely believe you are mistaken. as you do me.
I respect you a lot, but you are not seeing things clearly, but rather as a faithful Catholic. And in this case, it distorts your view, badly.
Best, for both of us that I (and you) stop here.
I’m out, the last word is yours.
Faith has nothing to do with it at all.
B, The Catholic Church enforces rules, and it gets pilloried for being harsh. Then when it cuts slack and is forgiving, it is pilloried for being lenient. It can’t win.
As you followed your religious beliefs to care for the less well off and ill, you felt burdened by all the money you had to spend to keep your hospitals open. No doubt members in your hierarchy suggested that the government has powers to fund such thing that your tithing calls seems not quite sufficient to fill. Ding, Pascal wins an Internet. Catholics and Protestants all offloaded poor relief, social justice, and other costly things onto the government.
We can pan it in 2012, given our historical perspective and current society, but at the time, it felt like the Right Thing to Do. And back then, costs weren’t run to the sky, as Paul noted. We have separation of Church and State, but still felt like a believing nation, from installing “under God” into the Pledge in the 50’s, to having God mentioned on the greenbacks. So having the feds do some work like feed the poor or care for the sick in that society would fit.
The problems the Catholic Church is having a conniption over is more the cause of a secularized, de-Christianized society making the rules than the government doing the paying vs. private entities. The Catholic bishops have been for a national health care program since I believe 1912, but had Obamacare been enacted in 1912 society, there would’ve been no notion of abortion, euthanasia (voluntary or not), sterilization and sex change surgery, either covered, or forced to be performed by religious hospitals (or adoptions to same sex couples forcing the churches out of adoption).