Neanderpundit

that movie characters see some kind of slimy crap on something or another and touch it? Sometimes sniff it? Sometimes- gad! TASTE it?

Good lord.

I have had this discussion several times, and the answer is, yes, of course.

There are a lot of things that are codified in different theologies, and what a conflicting mess that is. Eat meat, don’t eat meat. Don’t eat pigs. Don’t jerk off. Don’t put milk in a refrigerator with meat. Don’t eat a sheep you’ve had sex with. Don’t mess up while you read this holy passage or you have to start all over again from the beginning. Don’t have blood transfusions. Don’t use gas engines or electric lights.

Those things exist outside secular morality. Secular morality is, in my perspective, always based on a kind of theft.
When you steal, of course, you deprive someone of that item. How about when you kill them? You deprive them of their life. How about when you rape them? You deprive them of their freedom to use their body as they see fit. I would define secular morality, again from my perspective, as the act of depriving someone or something of something to which it attaches value, described in it’s simplest form.

This discussion is as old as the hills and everyone disagrees, most often because they have an agenda. I don’t, I merely observe. A powerful lot of the non believers I know, and know quite a few, are well versed in this type of secular morality, and act it. This includes atheists, but rarely anti-theists. Anti theists all have an agenda, and it’s usually a religionof it’s own. That defines anti theism, actually. Plain old atheists, of which there are many, are usually just fine.

Anyway, I am of the opinion that you can be completely secular in your morals, and that’s fine with me- you might piss off someone because you like the occasional drink, or have a couple girlfriends instead of one, or like to sleep in on saturdays AND sundays and have bacon sandwiches at every meal, but that doesn’t make you a bad person, just because you don’t follow the tenets of a belief system you dont’ ascribe to.

When you do something, though, whether it be walking out of the restaurant knowing full well the cashier gave you change for a 50 instead of a 20, or whatever, be a man. Own it.

Some asshole who mouths off whenever anyone shoots an animal. Melissa Bachman is taking a bunch of heat all over the place, predominatnly from people who are embarrassed that her testicles are bigger than theirs. Well, Ms Bachman, Good on you. Never apologise and fuck them.

The idiots that do this sort of jaw flapping come in two varieties: people who are all butthurt because she killed an animal, who then go right to McDonalds afterwards, and vegan fuckmonkeys who are “Above” all this shit.

Look, you morons, you kill shit to eat every day. There is only one naturally occurring food on earth that doesn’t require that something die so you can eat. When you mark yourself morally superior because you don’t kill to eat, tell me with absolute certainlty that the plants you eat don’t have any awareness. Not horribly long ago the same thing was said about- well, damned near anything. Oaks live hundreds of years, cedars thousands. There are trees on this planet that were old when Jesus walked the planet. Don’t tell me an organism can live to that age and not dance some sort of dance, no matter if it’s too slow for us to see.

Life is life. Just because something has a face doesn’t make it’s death less death than if it is confined to cells.

Oh, you only eat fruit and seeds? Ah, that’s better. You are murdering the plants young and eating the lure they produce to scatter it’s seeds.

Things eat other things. You don’t get a choice in the matter. Shut up and pass the A-1.