I may have changed my mind
I mean, I have an SKS- so I have an autoloading rifle, it’s more accurate than any low end ar I could probably buy and the ammo is cheap, and i like the caliber more anyway. SO I may buy a lower as an insurance policy, and spend the rest of the money on more ammo for the SKS.
I also have been looking at the ‘refinished” 91-30’s, and I’m drawn to them. I may have to get one, at $69.
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I’ve got three of the 91/30’s. I plan on doing some tuning for accuracy.
I’ve hit an 18″ gong a 180 yards standing, off-hand with one of them. I think with some work and practice, they could be quite acceptable shooters.
‘Course my ammo put holes in the gong, so they asked me to switch to shooting something else. Oops.
Oh, yeah. I’m getting an M1 Garand as my autoloading rifle. Somehow it just feels patriotic.
I’ve been shooting my 91/30 for several years, and once you learn to aim a bit low when you shoot without a bayonet, it can hit a man sized target out to 400 yards. Ammo is cheap, the rifle is inexpensive, and it’s a sturdy, accurate shooter. And it will punch a hole in just about anything. Got to love it.
Just have to get used to cosmoline bubbling out of the darned thing, no matter how much work I put into getting it out.
bear, you didn’t use the garbage can trick? Put three to five lightbulbs in a galvanized garbage can wiht your stock and let it sit with the lid on for several days.
OG I purchased a lower in Aug for $90
bought one on election day fot $115 cheapest I have seen this week is close to $200 If you want one do not wait. Tried to go to the Houston gun show on Sat Line was a block long an hour after opening. I left the wait for the NIC check was running 2 hours by lunch.
Just check gunbroker.com and lowers are in the $280 today! This is stupid
Buy the AR15 Neanderpunit. Unless things have really changed in the last couple of years since I have been out of the sport, the guys with the AR’s will shoot circles around the guys with the chicom junk and surplus ammo. They will steal the show at Camp Perry just as they do in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I see alot of guys giving the black rifle the chitty end of the stick…but none of those guys will back it up at the range where it counts.
rusty? I won my last two military rifle matches. shooting old milsurp crap. against some high end black rifles.
OG My M14 sits in the safe wearing its third barrel, when I go to a match I intend to win The black gun wins look at the NRA high power standings I picked on these things for years until I got tired of being whipped by them, and joined they shoot
I have a K31. Bring it.
And again, I’m not talking about winning matches yada yada. First of all, you’re not going to win a match with a $600 AR, and that’s that. That was never my intention. If I want to shoot accurately, I have accurate rifles. I wanted this because it sticks a finger in the eye of the gun grabbers, and no other reasons.
And that’s about all the reason one needs!
Og, I just acquired an M38 (the carbine version of the 91/30) from J&G sales for $99, and it’s a lovely little rifle. I’m going to change the stock over to a synthetic one so I’ll end up with what is basically a low-budget Scout rifle, which will probably cause Col. Cooper to roll over a few times in his grave. I’m going to keep the original stock and refinish it, see what is lurking under the Cosmoline and original varnish.
Robert,
What’s lurking under the non-skid polyukrainathane “finish” on your M38 M-N is a utility grade birch pallet skid crudely hacked into a gunstock like shape.
At least that’s what mine is.
Gerry N.
I may have to try the garbage can trick. I put my furniture in a couple of black garbage bags and left it on the dash of my truck for a couple of days last summer, and got a bunch of gunk out of them.
One of my compatriots, Ironhand/Anvil boy invented that, if memory serves. I used it to some success on my SKS.
Yeah, the furniture on a 91 leaves somewhat to be desired.
I’m not one to join the chorus of “Ooh you need to buy a (whatever)!” Your SKS will work just fine in any situation for which you’d conceivably need a rifle.
However, I would like to correct one misapprehension in your post: It is not uncommon for even budget ARs, base guns from Oly, RRA, and Bushhamster, to shoot one MOA out of the box, and any AR that won’t shoot under three is probably defective in some way. Unless that’s some special SKS you’ve got, I doubt it’ll hold an inch.
Well, like I said, if I wanted to shoot something far away accurately, I would not pick the AR- though it may be the most accurate $600 rifle in the world, the terminal ballistics of the 223 leave something to be desired vis a vis the 7.5 swiss, or the 308, or the 30-06. Otherwise, they would have chambered the M40 for 223.
I am not nor have I ever been a member of the military, but it certainly seems to me that an autoloading weapon is less a weapon of accuracy than of high volume fire, hence the “autoloading”. I have seen ordinary window glass all but stop a 223 round at 250 yards, a distance where the 30 caliber round shines quite nicely. So being able to hit it does little good if you do litle damage. And in any event, the point was never to use it as a sniper rifle anyway. I just wanted to annoy the followers of the Chosen One, and I may yet buy a cheap lower to that effect- but I’m not interested in a discussion about how wunnerful the AR is. All weapons have their followers, and I’m not particularly rabid about any of them.
Though I do lurve my K31.
Hey, like I said, I wasn’t posting to pimp a gun, just to make a footnote.
I quit selling guns a year and a half ago.
Sorry if I ticked anyone off. I have been shooting and hunting for 55 years and I have my biases. I have also been out of the game for several years now as my eyes are pretty much shot. I have to wear coke bottle glasses just to read the computer!
Believe it or not, I am a huge fan of the K31 too. I think it is probably one of the most under-apprciated guns out there. To lump it in with a chicom SKS…no, they are two very different animals.
But at the end of the day, the AR belts out ammo in quantity AND accurately. The SKS is not a volume gun nor is it particularly accurate. Your argument about ballistics is valid to a point. Inside 200 yards, the 223 will ruin your day. Inside 100 it will end it. Most of the SKS’s I have seen won’t shoot accurately much beyond 150, and some are even worse, but then again, it was usually kids shooting them that couldn’t afford better rifles, and all the hotshots at my club shot AR’s – so my perspective may be skewed. It might be interesting to see what the SKS can do in the hands of an experienced rifleman at that…
I have never owned an AR in my life and looking back at it now, I regret it. Never owned an SKS either, but that is one that I can live without.
Buy the SKS if you’re so inclined. If you are ever in a survival situation tactics will determine your success far more so than equipment – and most Americans tend to forget this. A range report would be most interesting too.
Tam, yes, and I do appreciate. On the other hand, of five or six AR platforms I have shot, not one of them could hit a barn from the inside. I could seeif I had only ever shot one, wiht iron sights, at 1000 yards- but I’ve shot several, at close distances- less than 25 yards. One of them was a high end heavy barrel scoped deal, and I was shooting it from bags, and I put everything in the ten ring (2″ ten ring)at the 25 yard firing line, but the SKS I own, from the same sandbags, makes a single ragged hole, at that distance. I would be the first person to say that this is the shooter and not the weapon, but several people shot the same pair of rifles, at the same distance, with the same results. So if you say that they come out of the box at sub-MOA, then I trust your judgement, and assume I happened to get my hands on some extreme examples of real crap.
Rusty, I’m not pissed, I don’t ruffle that easily. As I said (your reading comprehension needs some work) I already own an sks, bought it long enough ago that I think I paid $75 for it. And I may yet buy what Tam correctly calls the “serial numbered part” just to piss off some people, and I DO want an AR, because from the ones I’ve shot, they’re a HOOT to shoot. But my money is better spent elsewhere at present.
Og, I’m with you on the eye-poking. I’ve been saving up to build a custom rifle on a small-ring Mexican Mauser action, but now I think I’ll set my sights on something semi-automatic with a detachable magazine.
My choices are limited by state law so I’ll probably end up with a Ruger Mini-something. If I had my druthers, I’d probably go for an AK variant or maybe an AR.
Og You are right you can not get a acurate AR for $600, add about another $1000 and you will be amazed I have been shooting High Power for 40 years started with a M1. Sixty years plus and I can hit at 600 yards
Hit a man size pop at 600
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It is not my reading comprehension that needs work, Og, it’s my mind. It’s starting to go. I wish I were a youngster again like Larry.
Then I could give that young whipper snapper a lesson in shooting! Ha ha!
LOL! Rusty, we are all aging like fine wine. As it turns into vinegar.