IQ and gaps
Stanford-Binet and Wechsler have been playing around with measuring IQ for a while, and it seems to be an inexact science, at best.
Part, I think, of this inexactness is the difference in the way people process information, and the way their brains are wired.
I know a lot of people who are great at math but utterly incapable of stringing ten words together coherently. A hundred people who can write thousands of lines of faultless C++ code, and can’t figure out how to get the hood of their car open, let alone check the oil. I know someone who is a master carpenter who does carpentry at a cabinetmaking level, joinery so beautiful that it’s almost a shame to cover it with drywall, and yet cannot balance a checkbook.
I think the reason IQ testing seems so haphazard (I know people who have been tested in the 130-170 range, often repeating the same tests) is that it tries to be too general. I am not an expert on this subject by any means, but I am a longtime observer of the human condition.
I have a customer who employs a large number of mentally handicapped people. They do assembly of their products. They do incredible work, but they require monitoring by a leader. Remarkably, they are capable of a level of organization personally that a lot of adults can’t master.
It isn’t a mystery to me, or anyone with a brain, that different people are better or worse at different things, and come to their differing levels of development at different times.
When all my schoolmates were watching baseball on TV or listening to games on transistor radios, and playing games of baseball and basketball and soccer, I was absorbed in Twain, in Wells, in Homer and Capstick. I had zero interest in sports,a nd still have almost none- but last summer, watching my daughter play softball, it awakened that tiny spark, and i began to be interested for the first time. I won’t ever play myself, but I have, for the first time, an interest in watching someone play a game.
I think the areas of people’s interests help determine what they readily absorb and what they have difficulties with. This isn’t much of a stretch, actually. The money bit, that I’m trying to get to, is the idea that there’s a level of maturity that you must arrive at, to be able to be less than functionally illiterate on the subject.
The old formula for IQ is
IQ=100(MA/CA) where MA = mental age and CA = chronological age.
If you measure this as an average of all the persons abilities, it can probably give you a good general idea of what that person is like, intellectually. But it doesn’t give the complete picture, of course.
This is why I think that some people never get beyond the “put the key in and drive” area of car owership, or the “move in and live there” area of home ownership, because the level of maturity they have disallows them to move beyond that level. it doesn’t make them bad people, but it means they will raise (for the most part) children as bad, in that respect, or worse, than them.
This is why I keep calling Tom a moron. He’s apparently quite bright in many areas, but his emotional/intellectual development in the political arena is the same as what is legally termed a moron, someone with an IQ around 60. He bases all his political decisions on feelings, and while the reality is, there are few people in the country less qualified to govern than Brak, he defends his choice, falling instantly to ad hominem rather than even attempting to use any logic (which of course is unavailable to him, Logic demands that Brak not be elected)
This is due to a handful of things that I think are worthy of note:
The US educational system is liberal owned and operated. Public schools are liberal indoctrination camps, and have been for some time. They have done such an excellent job of indoctrinating people, that a: they have no idea they have been indoctrinated, and b: have had the ability to examine their situation and see the indoctrination completely trained out of them.
The media is strongly left biased, as anyone who can look at it objectively knows, but this bias acts predominatly as a positive reinforcement for the indoctrination received in the school system.
The parochial school system (most common in flyover country) is devoid of the predominant indoctrination, and acts as a threat to the indoctrination, so they are attacked on as many fronts as possible, to attempt to shut them down- they threaten the socialist ricebowl.
The vote in the November election went 52% Obama, 48% McCain. (approximately)
This is an impressive number, because it means something very important: It took all the power of the entire media complex, and the entire socialist indoctrination system to get a tiny bit over half of the voters in this country to vote for someone based on “feelings”. it means that damned near half of the country is in their right minds. More, frankly, than I figured.
The downside, is that we are shackling our children to a debt that Owebama is getting ready to create (he and his advisors created the perfect storm for it to happen) a pile of debt so large that our grandchildren’s grandchildren will barely begin to pay the interest, and this is precisely what the indoctrination camps and the media desire. The more dependant you are on the government, the more power the government holds.
America needs less government, not more. We need less debt, not more. We need to prep ourselves, those of us who are emotionally, politically adults in mental development, to clean up the mess that Owebama is making, because it’s going to be a cluster.
brak is the epitome of empty suit. Having followed his career for ages, I know full well that he cannot open his mouth to speak unless Dick Daley moves his hand, and this is a disaster of epic proportions in the making.
All because people are morons.

Years back I was attending the USAF Academic Instructor school at the Air U. in Alabama. A PHD of educational psychology was one of the teachers..his take on IQ was that the only true way to measure was to give people a logic test on something they had no background in…he used an example of children who had never seen a hammer, a peg board with round and square holes, and round and square pegs and watching to see how long it took to figure out what to do with the items.
I have came to the conclusion that IQ measure knowledge a lot more than it measure intelligence and that out K12 public education teaches some knowledge but damn little about how to think. As you techies say about computers..garbage in garbage out pretty well describes the public school system..and you are right. The recent election appears to verify that we no longer teach our children to think..garbage in and garbage out
Interesting take on IQ. I wonder if we stopped pushing so hard for “everyone to get a college education/degree, instead focusing on an individuals native talents/abilities (and how to best use those to become a functioning/reasonably productive member of society, “We” might all be better off.
You (and “that other Guy” *grin*) are quite correct in that the education system is (and has been since FDR appointed Dewy) corrupt. And we as a nation are all the poorer for it.
Our education system has been indoctrinating kids at least to some degree even when I was in school. I assume it is worse now. To say the parochial schools have been immune to it, my experiences differ. I went to a private grade school and a Jesuit high school and experienced indoctrination in both. These are probably different from the more common Catholic and protestant schools, so my experience may be different than others.
As for the different kinds of intelligence talk, I suspect that you are on to something, but you are wandering over into getting attention from nature versus nurture advocates. I can tell you from experience, there are people who think that life is 95-100% one or the other. These can be vehement and energetic advocates, and neither extreme appears to be particularly open to honest debate.
That said, related story, in my life, when someone starts discussing Turing completeness, or the effects of pressure on rates of combustion of rocket fuel, I get it. We discuss human emotional reactions to the market and the related behavior, effects on supply/demand, etc., I get it. Larry Kudlow starts talking about small caps, large caps, corporations, economics… I get it in the very very general, but when I try to understand how a particular company fits in and how it is affected by the trends, my brain seems like it is suddenly incapable of grasping the most simple points.
At least I have some idea of what I don’t know. I just wish i could figure it out.
Einstien said it best when he opined that everyone is a genius at something. The truly successful people can figure out the one thing.
When I studied tests and measures as part of pyshcology study I was struck by the fact that people of color felt the standard IQ test used at that time was biased towards whites. They felt this way due to certain questions that assumed a normal upbringing. Not the mother centered upbringing most of the blacks where getting at the time. Of course that brought up the question of what constitutes normal.
IQ tests are only an assessment of how you might perform in a learning environment. That is why IQ is so prized among academics.
IQ measures the clock speed of the brain. Using a computer as the analogy, simply because you have a computer with a fast CPU doesn’t mean you have the routines to process math. You need a math co-processor to do that with any speed or numbers above single digits. If you haven’t also installed a storage device, you can process nothing really, really fast. If the wiring on the motherboard is faulty, it doesn’t matter how fast the CPU is, it isn’t going to be able to send information reliably. If you haven’t ALSO installed software to make the fast computer do something, it will be a useless paperweight.
All of those examples are synonymous with the complexities of the brain.
Someone can be autistic (blind to appropriate social behaviors) and still have a very high IQ.
What is indisputable is IQ as a predictor of workplace performance and economic success. IQ is a far better predictor of workplace performance than college level.
But it becomes more and more a moot point when the average IQ of Americans is 100 (85% of Americans have an IQ of 100 or below). The minimum IQ for managing something (a process, business or people) is @120.
Managing something effectively requires multiple areas of the brain working in tandem (or so quickly that it feels like they’re working in tandem), in order to make decisions and understand competing priorities and complexities. If the signals are traveling too slowly, or the brain cache is not there, it doesn’t matter how effectively one area of the brain is functioning if it can’t deliver what it has processed in a manner that other areas of the brain can add value to it.
Abstract thinking is a multi-zone function, and that requires a minimum of 110 to begin to process. It may or may not exist in an individual, depending on how well the other areas of the brain function.
I’ve known a few geniuses who couldn’t match the lids on the Tupperware. IQ is not a measurement of one’s spatial abilities. IQ is also not a measurement of ethos (and there seems to be some sort of correlation with high IQ and low impulse control, empathy, or social behavior… or whatever you want to label as not anti-social).
So while I know little about Tom, it appears that he (like many others) approaches social policy in much the same way that the mentally retarded can be taught to assemble parts… by rote. He is not at all distracted by the complexities of the human condition that would make it exceeding mind-numbing for an otherwise intelligent person to do it. There are no complexities and nuances for those people (ie, “there is no spoon”). There is only rote knowledge, and a constant spill-forth of memes. They’re not repairable, anymore than a 1970s computer can run Windows Vista without a major overhaul of the motherboard and a faster CPU.
nicely put, Mrs D, and welcome.