New Glock! yay.
yeah, that’s about my feeling about it too.
Look, I know LEO’s and Military want/need firearms that RUN. I get that. I also get that the ergonomics and quality of these pieces is (supposedly) exceptional. And that’s fine! if you rely, every minute of every day, on your duty piece to protect your life, it should be easy to carry, easy to use, easy to secure and remove from securement when needed. And the glocks fit that to a tee, and are pretty damned reliable.
But IMHO they have no soul.
Tam has firmly cemented her place in the halls of Curmudgeonii, with this post, which made me choke a bit on my coffee as I was breaking the new Illinois ordinance of surfing while driving.
She’s dead on. Now, I’m not a huge “Black rifle” fan- though I admit to wanting an AR clone just because they look like so damned much fun to shoot, and I’m all about fun shooting. I may even be able to do something about that after the Oglet has been through school.
On the other hand I’m a BIG fan of firearms with soul. The kind of soul you find in an original condition but used Springer 03. Or a nice broomie mauser. You look at the scars and dents and scratches and you cast your mind back to the moment the scar was received; the rifle speaks to you, and if you understand the language, it’s a compelling story.
My old marlin lever action had been through hell when I bought it, it had been used as the prop rod for a motor home for over twelve years and I ressurrected it in a new caliber. It now has a little scratch- barely noticeable- on the left side of the receiver where I leaned it against the bumper of the truck and it slipped, while I was getting my deer into the Exploder this season. I am a little annoyed at myself, but I will always look at that scratch as a reminder of the first whitetail I got with an actual modern cartridge rifle.
When i was hunting in Zambia I shot an enormous Kudu with a Winnie 70 in 30-06. This rifle had been patched and cobbled over the years, and was still in good running form despite a glued and screwed stock and a welded-on front scope mount (the screws long since stripped) I asked our host Mike Fisher about it, and he smiled and said, with his wonderful british accent, “I dropped it when a hippo charged me and he stepped on it” I have to tell you, if that were my rifle, I wouldn’t ever have let another human being touch it forever.
I have a double now. I look forward to hunting dangerous game with it. I will do my level best to take care of it but I secretly eagerly anticipate it’s first war wounds, because of the story they’ll tell me, and maybe some descendant of mine years hence.
In honor of Tam’s post, I’m gonna do some channeling here and see if I can explore the history of the progression of weapons.
“Them Glocks is ugly. I like my 1911” Sergeant Dick Ludlow, 1963
“1911? My Webley has been good enough all this time, and I expect nothing to change”
Leftenant Neville Altbridge-Stevens, 1914
“Webley? that double action crap will never catch on. Give me my 1849 anyday.” Buford “Tex” Wainwright, 1871
“Revolver? you dumbasses, what you gonna do when it’s empty, throw it at them? Any shooter worth his salt can load and fire a cap and ball in seconds!” Jack ‘Mad Jack” Blostridge, grand Banks privateer, date unknown
“Cap and ball? What do you do when you run out of caps? the flint never runs out!” Haans Bjorkensvald, Swedish imperial fleet, date uncertain
“Pistol? you fools! have you ever had to reload a CUTLASS?” Bill McGreevy, Royal navy.
“Sword? what kind of moron are you? Do you want to let the enemy get that close? I’ll stick with my 12’ pike, thankyouverymuch” Grenkind of Avila, sometime in 1719
“Pike? think crossbow, you fool. You can kill the enemy dead from a hundred yards!” Dennis the pudgy, fall 804.
“Crossbow? that overmechanized piece of shit? Give me a nice bow anyday.” Pete Archer, 412
“Bow? I can get more flint to the target with this atlatl than you can ever do with a bow small enough for you to carry.” Bonga the one-thumbed, date lost in the mist of time.
“Atlatl? pussy. If you can’t develop the muscles and the skill to toss a spear stay home with the bitches” Grob the annoying, several dozens of decades prior to Bonga the One-Thumbed.
“Spear? A stick was good enough for my father and his father, and it’ll be good enough for you. No son of mine is gonna strap a sharp flint to the end of a stick and call that ‘Sportsmanship'” name unknown, from French cave paintings
“Stick? why this club has served me for generations. Why change now?” Thag of the Hairy Bastards of Glubglub (now known as ethiopia)
And finally:
“Club. Og not like club. Club wood, wood break, wood rot, wood burn. Og like rock. Rock hard, not break, rock bash skull fast. Club for poo-heads” Og, back when it all began.
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“I look forward to hunting dangerous game with it”
Well, there’s always the Stop Six section of Fort Worth if you’re really in the mood.
So…. did you get a Glock or not?
Feh. I want the Glock for the same reason the cop does: It’s a tool, not a toy. It doesn’t have to be fun, just functional. I’ve got plenty of other stuff with soul.
This is why I carry a Glock:
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90
That’s what I call SOUL.
LOL! No, that’s not soul, that’s just dumbassery. When John Moses Browning comes back from the dead and starts designing for Glock, they’ll have soul.
Yeah, but we NEED dumbasses to torture test THEIR shit so weeuns don’t have to!!!
Great channeling session! I’ve no doubt every one of those transitions involved some form of that conversation over the eons.
Libs;someone shot at a glock. The 1911 had WWII
In my younger day I used to salivate over beautiful smoke sticks. I’ve gotten over that in my older years and now consider them all nothing but a tool, a means to an end, but I must admit that every time I walk past my first love, a Marlin 336cs, I get all weak in the knees and I just HAVE to fondle it. Is that so wrong?
There’s nuthin’ like that first love.
Glocks are excellent, even awesome weapons. I’m very happy for the owners who are happy with them. But like Og, I just can’t feel the love for one. I keep looking at them as I search for a compact .45 ACP CCW, but they just turn me off. It’s not you, it’s me, I whisper to the Glock.
Here’s the thing: Nazis are kinda cool because they had black leather trenchcoats and death’s head emblems and other awesome kill cult vibes. Russkie commies never made it as existential Hollywood villains because their uniforms were ill-tailored olive drab crap, their weapons (except for the AK) were boring (no Luger or Walther PPK in their holsters) and they had no soul-chilling mystique like them Nazis.
Glocks are like that highly functional but aesthetically horrific Russian technology.
So it all boils down to Form or function, and never the twain shall meet?
They met. The Italians defined love of handguns, from the Glisenti on up to today’s Berettas.
Oh, they generally work well, too.
Not at all. Where did I say form vs function? Its soul vs soulless.
Excellent post. I will stay with my Ruger Vaquero Bisley 357 thank you. And my Winchesters lever actions. 30-30 and 22 mag.
Soul? Objects don’t have souls.
;)
“Objects don’t have souls.” No. But their countenance reflects the souls of their designer, much as our countenance is in the image of our designer.
I’ll argue the ‘ergonomics’ of Glocks; I’ve fired several, and they all felt like a block in my hands.
The reliable I grant.
I love my PX4. What can I say?
Actually, the storm has a lovely shape. It looks like it would feel good. And beretta has always made fine pistols.
You’ll have to pry my Star B out of my cold dead hands.
Gerry N.
I don’t trust these percussion caps. You can’t see the sparks.
@Tam. EXACTLY!!! Plus, what happens when you run out up in the mountains?? You can’t find a damn percussion cap up in the mountains along a riverbed! I’ll stick to my flintlocks, with my baskethilt and tomahawk for backup :)
Well, unless you are more in tune that most plebes running around, flint will be moderately hard to find as well. Air Rifles are the cats meow. Pump it up and all you need is the lead.
Back to the Glock, I really don’t like the trigger. Traded my XD for a Ruger SP101 for that reason. That and .40 was kind of a lost soul in my arsenal. When you pull the trigeer the gun should go bang, not move a bar to allow the hammer to hit the firing pin and THEN go bang.
YMMV
And all I used to have was a WWII vintage Astra. If I ever get out of this state (Illinois) I will never make the mistake of getting rid (selling) my firearms (and associated reloading equipment) again.
As far as Glocks go, yeah they do the job, and as far as that goes, who could ask for more. BUT like comparing a boxy get around town nondescript car, to a Ferrari, both will get you where you want to go (function), but the Italian job is the one with “soul”!
I did a lot of research before buying a Glock for a CCW. IMO, Glock came out on top but, having no REAL safety, and knowing how bone-headed I can be, I was afraid of them. I’ve read too many Glock ND stories and one of my friends was messing around with his Glock a few days after he got it and BOOM!!!…. blew a hole in the floor board of his truck. It is NOT a weapon you can just shove in your pocket for a quick trip to the local 7-11 (just ax Palxico Burress). Then I read about the Cominolli safety:
http://parmarng.org/freeidaho/AlSkDjFhG/index.html
I got a Glock, installed the Cominolli and have lived happily ever after.
Disclaimer: please spare me… I’ve spent HOURS, maybe DAYS, reading the pros and cons of doing this BEFORE I did it…. it’s MY Glock… I did it… I’m happy with it… I’d do it again…. do what you want to with YOUR Glock… I don’t care)
It took a bit of nerve to buy the Sig that has no safety but a de-cocker – at least you don’t have to pull the trigger to clear it after shooting.
OTOH it’s not the slightest bit like the ’61 S&W Model-10 with a butter-smooth trigger and warm wooden grips.