Men are from one place; women, not so much.
Joanna is lamenting the fact that all the men she knows are into porn.
Having been a man these 50 years, and having hung around with men all 50 of those years, I can tell you in no uncertain terms, that all men are “into” porn. If they say they are not, they’re lying. If they are truly not, they are probably damaged somehow. Let me also be perfectly clear on this: A lot of men who engage in porn are severely damaged, too. The porn is occasionally a symptom of that damage, though rarely a cause. And some men engage in porn- or things like it, like bawdy ballads- because they are immature.
Now: Let’s define porn. That’s a tough definition, and here are some examples why:
I have a good friend who is an amateur photographer and is really beginning to show some signs of talent. I linked him to Oleg Volk’s site. Let me be clear on this subject: There is nothing Oleg shows on his site that could be remotely considered pornography, and the only valid description of what Oleg does is art, most of the time crossing the line into fine art.
This friend’s wife will no longer speak to me. Here’s the email she sent:
“I cannot believe you sent my husband that filth. I saw him looking at that, and he said it came from you, and I thought you were normal. Now I see what kind of sick, sick filth you spend your time looking at I’m afraid to be in the same room with you”
After she saw Oleg Volk’s site. Oleg Volk, people!!
I’m glad I didn’t send him the link about midget goat bukake.
the thing is, “porn” is different things to different people. And to men, it’s a remarkable variation between one extreme and the other. There are men who have become so jaded in their lives that only the most extreme of anything will do; most people would be sick to their stomach. There are also men that believe it to be unspeakably – and perhaps, unnecesarily- erotic for women to wear pants.
Porn,or the erotic component therof, is therefore, the thing that trips your trigger. For men, this is often visual, and the visual can be almost anything.
The Creator of the Universe in his infinite wisdom made women look a specific way. And men respond to that look like pavlovs dogs. The primary sexual characteristic of human females is the backside, and the extra fat that the Creator puts there, and the narrowness of the waist, is impossible for men to ignore.
Sure, men can train themselves to ignore it, but it’s not natural. Most men just train themselves not to be obvious about making their observations, and that’s enough.
Every man- every man- has that image that wakes up Mr Happy. Sometimes it’s an image in his head alone, sometimes it’s an image in a magazine, sometimes it’s unimagineably repulsive, sometimes it’s seemingly totally innocent. I know men who develop an instant erection at the mention of women’s underwear, I know a man who can’t get it up unless there are two women beating one another with extension cords standing in human excrement. I wish I was making that up.
I once had a woman tell me that “Kinky” means something that you, yourself, would never think of doing. I will take that further, and say that Pornography, at least in the pejorative sense, is that which you consider disgusting. One man’s porn, is another’s wholesome erotic image, and there are lines drawn everywhere. No normal man is immune, and no normal man doesn’t secretly or overtly indulge, from time to time, in something someone else will define as “porn”
Two of the most moral men I know have spent a good deal of time writing erotic stories, some of which cross all “normal” borders. I have seen it all. I have read it all. The things I consider to be erotic are beyond most people’s imagination, and would surprise everyone who knows me. The things i consider pornographic most people would never think twice about.
What Joanna is really talking about in her post and in comments is being treated like a lady. All women deserve to be treated like ladies, and that’s the way it is. You can disagreee, but you’re wrong. Even Nancy Pelosi deserves to be treated like a lady, right up to the minute where you…. nevermind. Being treated like a lady has nothing to do with porn, it has to do with class. A male who fails to respect his companion is not a man. And some of the wickedest perverts I know are the most gentlemanly.
I’m not making a case for porn or against it. This is just the way it is. The way Men are built, the way Women are built, we look at life through different filters. Mens filters occasionally have a picture of a midget fucking a moose painted right on them.
it isn’t a surprise to anyone that men and women are different. And those differences are vast- women, for instance, are more physically suited for polygamy- when a man gets his happy ending, he’s worthless for ages. When a woman gets to the same place, she can stay there for hours if she wants. A lot of people think this is because women are more emotionally likely to want to be with the same person; I think that’s bullshit.
I think women tend toward monogamy because men’s wobbly dangly bits are so fucking ugly that a woman can only bring herself to want to deal with one set at a time. But that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Y’al excuse me while I go look at some pictures of pianos.
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“Porn, therefore, is the thing that trips your trigger. ”
Hmmm… okay.
“Sure, men can train themselves to ignore it, but it’s not natural. ”
Muahahahahahha!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp_WV91jx8E
“Even Nancy Pelosi deserves to be treated like a lady, right up to the minute where you…. nevermind. ”
Aaaaaaaaiiiieeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!
(*Picks up mental Floss*)
Nice Treatise, Og – Except for the unexpected Pelosi uppercut. Ouchie. Thankfully you didn’t use Helen Thomas as the example.
I see where you are coming from about the term ‘porn’ now. Thanks.
I’m not asking for a man with no sex drive; that would be stupid and unrealistic. And you come close when you guess that what I want is to be treated like a lady. That’s a big part of it. I guess the question I was trying to ask was “Are there any men out there who choose to abstain from sex and the sexual, until and unless it relates to the women who are their wives?”
Joanna,
There are church dating groups in Minneapolis here where the only way the young adults may participate is to abstain from sex while dating in these groups.
I would think it would be the same in your area.
“Are there any men out there who choose to abstain from sex and the sexual, until and unless it relates to the women who are their wives?â€
I met this guy in an iron lung once…
And then there’s my buddy who died ten years back.
I’m gonna have to say, no. Unless of course, they’re lying. And the really cool part? Not one of us normal guys are broken.
Most women are into porn as well, it just takes a different form for them. Soap Operas (day or nighttime), Twilight, Desperate Housewives, Sex and the City…hell, most shows that cater to women are chick porn. Then there are the bodice ripper books…
I’ve noticed that most women complain about guys and porn because it makes them insecure. The idea that someone younger and better looking is but a click away. How to compete with that? Simple, be a good woman. If he’s a decent man, he won’t be going anywhere.
“All women deserve to be treated like ladies, and that’s the way it is. You can disagreee, but you’re wrong. Even Nancy Pelosi deserves to be treated like a lady, right up to the minute where you…. nevermind. Being treated like a lady has nothing to do with porn, it has to do with class. A male who fails to respect his companion is not a man.”
I’ll go ‘head and disagree. If they wish to be treated like a lady, they should actually be a lady. Never give bad behavior its head. Hell, many women interpret treating non-ladies as ladies as a sign of weakness…of being a doormat.
“I guess the question I was trying to ask was “Are there any men out there who choose to abstain from sex and the sexual, until and unless it relates to the women who are their wives?â€
Sure, about as many as there are women that choose to abstain from sex and the sexual until and unless it relates to the men who are their husbands. In other words, not many.
And if you watch teevee, it’s highly unlikely you’ve abstained from the sexual.
I hope Johanna finds what she seeks. Whether we agree or disagree the heart wants what the heart needs and there is someone for her as she is a beautiful and sparkling gem of a young woman.
I think Oleg’s work is stunning myself.
My Dad used to have a Playboy calender in his little shop where as kids we weren’t allowed due to the tools and chemicals there (like that kept us from sneaking in). It was really tame by today’s standards but by the standards of the day it would have been considered “porn”. And Mom knew it was there. Why do we know that? Occasionally, she’d make a little outfit out of a piece of paper and put it on the model to cover her, like paper dolls, but with a funny note. Not all the time, but enough to let him know that although she might tease him, she understood that it had nothing to do with her and his great love for her. To her, he was not a bad husband, father, or Child of God, he was just being a guy. One that treated her like gold, with open and faithful affection.
Fantasy is just that, and rarely has any bearing on what you cherish or what you do.
And that extra $9 on my hotel bill? Honest I watched, uh. . . Terminator 2. Yeah, that’s it.
“I’ll go ‘head and disagree. ”
Then you are wrong. The measure of your manhood is not how you treat pleseant,accomodating girls, but how you treat annoying, abrasive, caustic hatchet faced harpies. Your actions betray your class, or the lack therof, not the actions of the woman in question.
Brigid: if I wasn’t already married to the best woman on earth- and you weren’t so damned far out of my class- i would SO be stalking you.
It’s entirely possible to treat annoying, abrasive, caustic hatchet faced harpies civilly without treating them like a lady. A lady’s respect is earned.
Sure. if they don’t earn it, why not just punch them. Would that be OK?
When you meet, for instance, my daughter, how long will it take for you to be satisfied she has ‘Earned’ your respect enough to be treated like a lady? Wait, I know, it will be just before I relocate your teeth.
you are wrong. And if you believe what you say, stay the hell away from me and mine, or expect to acquire dentures. You give respect whether it is earned or not, period.
One additional problem is that cultural tolerances change, from place to place and over time.
The Interwebs have largely fomented this phenomenon, by exposing large segments of the population to a vast variety of cultural diversity, and the perception of wide acceptance of the activities on the thinner ends of the bell curve.
I had my nose rubbed in this last night… I was requested to accompany my wife and daughter and daughter’s boyfriend to the midnight showing of Twilight/Eclipse…
This is female porn at it’s finest…
Drama, romance, sexual tension, and young eye-candy boys running around without their shirts.
Fairly early in the movie one of the guys makes his first appearance (without his shirt, of course) and every female in the audience gasped and went into estrus. Seriously, you could smell the pheromones in the air.
(Young males [hell- old males even] are missing out on some very target-rich hunting grounds…but I digress.)
As we all know, guys with exceptionally poor self control are always getting caught rubbing one out in the supermarket parking lot after seeing some soccer mom selecting a particularly nice melon…
Now-a-days, with so many websites that specialize in women’s issues- from sexual response to child development to health issues, the public discussion of female sexual desires and needs has been pushed into a spotlight, and more and more women have become in tune with their erotic side and have no problem with frank discussions regarding it.
(go read a few pages of textsfromlastnight.com and tell me if this was the the environment you experienced in college in the 70’s and 80’s)
It would not have surprised me to come across some cougar in the theater parking lot scrubbing one off after watching the movie… And I’ll wager there were/will be quite a few candle-lit baths and some intimate moments with the shower massage triggered by the visuals in the movie.
And some large percentage of the women will text/tweet/blog to the world how she got off on it. Graphically.
So, times, they are a-changin’.
For good or bad.
But porn is what trips your trigger, as you said… Control is the key.
Are you in control, or is it controlling you?
TBG
“Are you in control, or is it controlling you?” Therin lies a seed of truth that should be planted in a lot of places. thanks!
Interesting reaction. I say it’s possible to treat them civilly. You somehow warp that around in your mind and insinuate that I very well might just be all for punching women (viva la character assassination!), then issue a sad little threat to…drum roll…punch me. That’s the exact same type of argument and threat a leftist would cobble together. Absolutely pathetic, Og. Shame be upon you.
Above you mention “the measure of your manhood”. In other words, one’s proof of being a real man in earned. Why is one’s proof of being a lady not also earned? Don’t you view them as equal, rather than incapable of earning it like a man can earn his “manhood”?
You think a whore holds equal footing with the daughter you mentioned? Of course not. However, I’m willing to bet you’d treat the whore…civilly.
I treat all women the same. Does it make you a better hunter if the deer are small or large? Does it make you a better fisherman if the fish are healthy or diseased? Do you let everyone’s attitudes dictate your actions? I treat all women the same, all the time, period. Those who are demonstrably assholes, I avoid, but I treat them exactly the same way I would trat my wife or mother. And every man I know acts exactly the same way. Those who do not are demonstrably not men. being a man is not about how other people act around you, but how you act around other people. president Pixiedust is surrounded by marines. Does that make him a great man, because he is surrounded by great men? no.
be a man. All the time. To everyone.
“That’s the exact same type of argument and threat a leftist would cobble together. Absolutely pathetic, Og. Shame be upon you”
“I don’t want to treat Sally well because I think she’s a poopy head” That’s the exact same type of argument a three year old would cobble together. Infantile, asinine,ignorant, and immature. Shame be upon you. if you don’t like being held to the standards of men, the argument I make might sound difficult. i didn’t hear Dick whining.
“Interesting reaction. I say it’s possible to treat them civilly. You somehow warp that around in your mind and insinuate that I very well might just be all for punching women (viva la character assassination!), then issue a sad little threat to…drum roll…punch me.”
1: F, for reading comprehension. Don’t come back until you have re-read the comment and fully understand it’s purpose. Hint: it’s about incrementalism. if it’s OK not to treat women with respect, what’s next? Treating them with outright disrespect. Why not jump right to punching them and avoid the intervening bullshit?
2: There is no “sad little threat”. I never say anything on the blog that I will not say to someone’s face, and I make you this promise, not threat: if you show up arund me, and treat women around me as anything less than ladies, you will be missing teeth.
Please ask anyone who knows me personally if they think me incapable of that.
Og, be glad the friend’s wife is no longer speaking to you. I have a friend whose daughter got mad at him for watching “porn” (her term–it was Heavy Metal. Yes, a fucking cartoon).
I believe in chivalry, and treating ladies like ladies, but there are egregious examples. Despite her having female parts, Nazi Piglosi has shown herself to be a cunt & an evil harpy. Would you treat Lucrezia Borgia as a lady? Elizabeth Bathory? Delphine LaLaurie?
“I treat all women the same, all the time, period.”
No you don’t, as it’s quite impossible to treat people the same, all the time, period. Further, your own words here refute you. You certainly would not say about the wife or mother you mentioned what you have said about Pelosi, for instance. Or does “being a man” only hold to face to face interactions? After all, you did say “all the time, period”.
“if it’s OK not to treat women with respect, what’s next?”
You tell me I get an “F” for reading comprehension when clearly you don’t understand what (my repeated use of) civilly means. Cute. Or are you just in a mood to be quarrelsome?
“There is no “sad little threatâ€. I never say anything on the blog that I will not say to someone’s face, and I make you this promise, not threat: if you show up arund me, and treat women around me as anything less than ladies, you will be missing teeth.”
So everyone that’s ever treated women around you as anything less than ladies (which, given human nature and the present state of society, has happened often) are missing teeth?
Interesting thread.
A rather ugly man walks into a bar with a big grin on his face, and orders a draft beer.
‘What are you so happy about?’, asks the Bartender.
‘Well, I’ll tell you,’replies the ugly man. ‘As you know, I live by the railroad tracks. Well,on my way home from the bar, last night, I noticed a young woman tied to the tracks, just like in the films. I, of course, went and cut her free, and took her back to my place.
Anyway, to make a long story short, I scored big time! We made love all night, all over the house. We did everything: me on top, sometimes her on top, every position imaginable!’
‘Fantastic, you lucky bastard!’, exclaimed the Bartender. Was she pretty?’
‘Don’t know. Never found the head.’
“Or are you just in a mood to be quarrelsome?”
if your repeated use of Civility means “treating women like ladies” isn’t it you who is clearly in the mood to be quarrelsome? If it doesn’t mean that, you’re just a scumbag.
“So everyone that’s ever treated women around you as anything less than ladies (which, given human nature and the present state of society, has happened often) are missing teeth?”
Not all. Some are missing fingers.
If you came here to be a dick, you picked the wrong place. if you came here to be argumentative, you picked the wrong place. if you just want to stipulate that your version of treating women like ladies is called treating them civvily, you’re clearly merely being argumentative. One way or another, I have a wife, a mother, and a daughter. And I can guarantee you this: None of them need to earn your respect. None.
Tenn Budd: I would treat them all like ladies. I would do so right up to the moment of their beheading. or I’d run away. You can be a gentleman and not have to stick around for the punishment.
OA: You’ve been around here a lot, and I think you’re fine, You’re just wrong on this, and there is no reason you can ever give that will make you right.
Og, since you didn’t specifically address it, I’ll post it again:
“Above you mention “the measure of your manhoodâ€. In other words, one’s proof of being a real man in earned. Why is one’s proof of being a lady not also earned? Don’t you view them as equal, rather than incapable of earning it like a man can earn his “manhoodâ€?”
I understand Og’s point about treating ALL wimmins like ladys but I’m wondering why I would want to deprive the lintwife the pleasure of kicking the shit outta her disrespector or myself the pleasure of watching the melee?
“Ladies first.”, I always says.
OA: Are you the Creator of the universe? You must be, because you can tell before you MEET someone if they have earned your respect. Since i am not all seeing and all knowing as you obviously are, I treat ALL WOMEN LIKE LADIES. Sorry to have disturbed your omniscience.
““Ladies first.â€, I always says. ”
Lint, I can vouch for the Ogwife’s ability as well.
You avoided answering it directly again, Og.
To answer what I think is your question/point, courtesy is given upon meeting. Respect is something far deeper and is earned.
You havent asked a meaningful question for me to answer. maybe if you do, I will.
“Why is one’s proof of being a lady not also earned?”
This is tbe most bullshit I’ve ever heard uttered. I won’t answer it, because it doesn’t deserve an answer. I don’t have to prove a damned thing to youl, and my wife doesn’t either, to be treated like a lady. period. Wrong again.
For someone that’s made claims to be open to civil (there’s that word, again) debate, you’ve been neither particularly civil nor open. You won’t even answer direct questions.
“You havent asked a meaningful question for me to answer. maybe if you do, I will.”
Incorrect. You have answered questions of mine above. You even quoted some that you didn’t avoid.
It’s simple, Og, you have made a strong claim. I wished to see your reasoning behind it and posted a point slightly contrary to yours to further investigate. You have refused to show your work, so to speak, then tried to paint me as the one with the problem for simply wanting to know the rationale of the one that made such a strong claim. A claim, I might add, that I have pointed out you don’t even always observe (which you also avoided).
You have painted yourself into a corner and are too prideful to say so much as “oops”. There is no profit in continuing as it has become clear their is no logic with you over this, only emotion. Good day to you.
I have not painted myself into anything. You are wrong. Sorry, but you are. I don’t know if you were raised by wolves, or f you’re just an ass. here, let me give you a question to answer:
Why does my wife, daughter, mother or ANY WOMAN have to PROVE to you she is a lady to be treated as a lady?
You have two answers:
1: She doesn’t. I’m sorry, I was wrong.
2: you’re an asshole.
Whcih do you choose?
Well? You have one last post on this blog in which to apologize. I suggest you get to it.
Great post!
Good post, particularly regarding porn.
My love and respect for my wife means she doesn’t see every thing I see. She has different sensibilities. But observing beauty in other women (as God made them) doesn’t reflect on my love for her, or imply sexual activity (virtual or otherwise) with someone other than her.
As far as respect: that whole respect the office if not the officeholder is tricky. I don’t respect Pelosi or Obama.
But I would act civilly to them (until they initiated incivility).
I think they demean their office.
My respect for their office (how it should be occupied) informs my disrespect for them (how they occupy it).
“look at some pictures of pianos.”
Referring of course to the Victorian practice of covering the “legs” of a piano?
Wouldn’t you like to know, Ed?
I’m still waiting to hear under what circumstance it’s OK to disrespect women- that is to say, not to treat them like ladies. Whether the lady in question is worthy of that respect is no matter to me. I can control my actions, not hers. So I endeavor to make my actions above reproach. I’m not always successful, but I do what I can.
Don’t tell that wummun about asstr.org. There’s stuff there to suit every taste, no matter how bland or perverted. And it’s all _text_! I’m weird, for a guy, I guess. I get more excited by good nasty text than I do by pictures. I reckon that’s just because I’m older than Og, and came along when most folks were still literate and “fuck books” were easier to obtain than feelthy peektures.
Og, I’m with OA. I have met some right awkward female humans who were not entitled to be considered ladies, in any way. I was raised Southern (chivalrous) but treating some lowlife females as the ladies they were not has caused me some trouble from time to time.
P.s. I have also met some female humans who were not the least bit ladylike, who were good company, and much easier to get along with than self-consciously “lady” types.
I always assume that women should be treated as ladies. However, it only takes one or two sentences to change my mind. If a woman comes across as rude, crude and worthless, then that’s how I’m going to treat her.
Like OG said. Sometimes ya gotta run. Fast and far.
Here’s another thing not understandable to me: women consider looking at girlie mags, and masturbation, as cheating – same as getting a hooker. The second one really throws me – I’m told it’s because he takes matters in his own hands and didn’t come to her for his romantic needs. I say he’s a prince for treating her like a lady by acquiescing to her insistence “not tonight I have a headache” for the past N months, and he’s faithful, not spending the household income on fallen women, or bringing home an std.
wow – loads of comments. some are great, some… not so much.
you know where i stand on porn, Og, it’s all good. lol. i know quite a few women who indulge, myself included.
i have *also* met a few men whose wives made their life a sexual hell. am very, very empathetic to their plight.
and so i say : more porn, please!
I’ve written and deleted three different replies to this post. So here it is. If something doesn’t make sense or if anyone needs clarification, email me–my email is in my blog profile.
As a disclaimer, porn is fine by me, just as erotica/romance novels are okay. People are sexual and triggers are tripped in different ways. I think if a person wants another to give up their triggers, then they should give up their own as well, whatever they are. That said….
Talking about sexual things is situational and generally there has to be a level of comfort in order to bring up the sexual, unless the other person is a complete dolt in which case you go to the bathroom and never come back. In the main, though, this type of conversation does not, in my experience, come up out of the blue. YMMV.
There are men with whom I can discuss women doing the “hot brass titty dance” (well-endowed women and low cut tops at the shooting range can lead to hilarity). But part of that is that we’re comfortable enough with each other and respect each other enough to converse in that manner, and that’s good–that’s part of being friends. But the titty-dance didn’t come up arbitrarily like some kind of tourettes–it was an extension of a conversation with issues about hot brass and burns.
But we probably would not have had this conversation on a first meeting even with the same lead-in to it–there had to be a comfort level established first. Politeness first until you get to know the other person and then you can let down your conversational hair.
Being a lady means being able to know your comfort zone and to let others know what it is and then enforce it. It also means being cognitive of your own behavior so that you are being consistent within your comfort zone.
Being treated like a lady means that the other person will respect your comfort zone as you have relayed it, just as you respect theirs without either person’s views being forced on the other.
I think that when justthisguy or Ragin’ Dave or mts are having cognitive dissonance, it’s because their comfort zones are not being respected and/or another’s views are being forced on them or they see something being forced on others.
I’m hoping this makes some sort of sense, if not, I’ll be happy to clarify.
Midwest Chick, I think it is perfect.
There is a corollary to treating all women (and girls) like ladies; treat all men like gentlemen. Be polite, be courteous, up until the point that you have to take action if they prove not to be gentlemen at all.
Hell, just boil it down to “treat all people with respect unless and until they make it necessary not to”.
It’s called civility, grace, and class.
Good point, Melody.
Midwest Chick – it’s not cognitive dissonance. It’s the simple fact that if a woman doesn’t act like a lady, then I’m not going to treat her like a lady.
On the other hand, it’s not like I’m going to be hanging around looking for ways to insult her either. If you act like a crass idiot around me, male or female, either you’re leaving or I am. I don’t have enough time in my life to waste it dealing with crass idiots, and I can always find somewhere else to be.
Dave: Understood. I also think it’s kind of a waste to allow some idiot to bring their negativity to me so if they’re being dumb, I remove myself from the situation ASAP.
I’m going to be honest with you here. Informational content usually puts me to sleep, and I snore quite loudly. Your content not only kept me awake, it intrigued me.
Pass the Turing test much?
The two sites have the same pathetic bot service. You ought to send the fools the screen capture and use tell them to use it to demand a refund. But of course, you send the bad news to them in the most flattering words possible.
Ed: Lol. I spammed out the comments, but you’re right- the dumbasses ought to ask for their money back!!