The Catholic Church
is generating a good deal of turbulence with their report about pedophile priests.
The contention of this report, that is that the permissiveness of the 60’s and the culture of the time played a part seems facile on it’s surface, but I’ve been up close and personal with this issue, and i can tell you a few very true things about it that you probably won’t hear anywhere else.
When I was in school, there were a lot of “old school” priests, who were- for lack of a better word- stodgy. They were very traditional, they were very strict, and they were the ones you feared the most. Brother Rocco, who wore a full cassock even in the brutal heat of summer, and who could bench press the biggest kid in class, and throw him through a door when he misbehaved. Fr Paul, who had a handshake like a vise, and if he grabbed you by the scruff of the neck could control you like a marionette. Fr Fred, whose B.O. was a force to be reckoned with of itself. Fr Ernest, who ate dinner with my family many nights, and who wore sandals with no socks year round, even hiking through deep snow.
And then there were the young priests, the hip ones, the ones who had peace sign stamps they used to grade papers, smiley face stickers they put on kids lockers. They were cool. They knew what had been on Laugh-in the night before. They watched the same shows as us, listened to the same music, played records we liked in class.
Tuirns out those were the tools they used to seduce the kids. Traveling to other schools, other seminaries, other enclaves, I saw them there too. I saw the kids who were their ‘Friends”
I testified about these people. I saw this with my own eyes, and i know what it was about. I was on the inside and the outside of this. It may seem far-fetched to make the connection between this and the atmosphere of the 60’s, but the connection is there. Some people may assign the improper causality to it, but the fact that priests used the culture of the time to identify with their intended prey. it worked, in spades.
Me? I was disagreeable enough as a child that I couldn’t get a priest to molest me. I say this often enough as a joke, but it’s a sad truth, that bites hard at a teenage kids psyche, to not be chosen for the team, to not be chosen for the class trip, to not be chosen as class president, to not, finally, be chosen to be diddled by the most popular priest. or even the least. To not be wanted, even for the things you would prefer not to be wanted for. I went stag to the prom, sort of my final fuckyou to the whole ordeal. By then, I knew I was beyond being hurt by them, or by anyone since.
I have seen, with my own eyes, heard with my own ears, most of the way people can be assholes to other people. After high school it affected me less and less and less. I can look at the most horrid things now, and not look away. The nerves that feel that pain were all burned years ago, and the scar tissue is thick and hard. I don’t recommend it, but it gives you a perspective other people just don’t have; the idea of being nice because it’s the “Right thing to do” is laughable to me, because, trust me, most people aren’t doing the right thing.
There are kiddy diddlers in all walks of life. Anyone who thinks the Catholic Church has a monopoly on that is a fucking retard, period. Those who harm kids are assholes, and it doesn’t matter if it’s a priest, a scoutmaster, or your dad.
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I too, believe there was a time when being a Priest in the Catholic Church was considered an honor. A few months before my Granfather died, he talked about how his family (and other families in his circles) believed that the 5th (and beyond) child in the family was expected to make an occupation within the church.
“Anyone who thinks the Catholic Church has a monopoly on that is a fucking retard, period. ”
The sexual tampering of children is an abomination. There should be a very special place in hell for those people.
“It may seem farfetched to make the connection between this and the atmosphere of th 60’s, but the connection is there.”
I have always wondered why it seemed there was a disproportionate amount of homosexuals who were considered ‘handsome’ by societies standards.
“I was disagreeable enough as a child that… to not be chosen for the team, to not be chosen for the class trip, to not be chosen as class president,…To not be wanted,…””
Uh huh… Me Too. Though I may not have been butt-ugly (rather ordinary, actually), I had a tendency of saying things people didn’t want to hear and an independent enough spirit to tell the powers that be (among my peers), to say exactly what I thought of them to their face. Yep. Wasn’t too bright about the whole social punishment thing… but (as you said) there was always a silver lining, Og.
“There are kiddy diddlers in all walks of life. ”
I agree. You never really know who they are. I have the good fortune (or misfortune) of having to check peoples credit and criminal history and many times it does not match the face or the first impressions of the person that is attached to it.
…and since we’re on this topic, I thought you may want to read this article:
End of an Era – Catholic Christian Brothers order files for bankruptcy
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/29/us-church-brothers-sexabuse-idUSTRE73S0XV20110429
This order taught in the Catholic Schools where I grew up. Rather sad.
Yes, there are kiddy diddlers in all walks of life. I’m not surprised that kiddy diddlers would choose to become priests. I am concerned that the Catholic Church would choose to reassign the kiddy diddlers so they can do it again. What we have here is a failure to excommunicate.
I’ve always privately thought that it was the men who entered the Priesthood in the 1960’s and before that were most at risk for unacceptable behavior. They simply did not receive the emotional and physical support necessary for a commitment to the Church. I try to keep in mind the number of men who actually did this was small compared to the entire Priesthood.
The report doesn’t shed anything new in my mind, nor is it suspect because was commissioned by the Church. I truly believe they realize the gravity of their error and ( like any company would commission ), asked that an outside report be drafted so they can review and adjust. Thinking of that report in this manner puts it into perspective.
When I attended Bishop Noll (class of 71) we had Christian Brothers for teachers. They were hippies. And man, do I have some stories.
Og,
What would you guess is the rough percentage of false claims? I have seen the pattern in other cases where people who were not injured makes claims as such because they know that no evidence is required and it is a potential free money windfall.
prof Hale: I know it happens, but how much may never be known- rent seekers are everywhere, and the place in hell for those who damage a good priests’ reputation by making such an allegation are in a lower circle of hell than the bad priests. One thing I DO know, is that the church pays and pays regardless of the truth of the allegation.
And unlike- you know- familes, scouts, presbyterians, baptists, the NRA, the Daughters of the American revolution, where the incidence is on a par with the Church, the Catholic Church actually has a mandatory program in place to deal with this issue.
Og, I disagree, the bad priests deserve the lowest circle in Hell. No false accuser could possibly do as much harm as the bad priests have done to the reputation of good priests and the Church.
So the “bear false witness” thing is meaningless to you? Would it be OK with you if someone destroyed your reputation- and destroyed a lifetime of important work you did or may have done? To destroy a good mans reputation by lying is- frankly- one of the most heinous things I can think of.
Og, I think if you check what the Scouts make you do before you’re allowed to work with the youth, and how they enforce it, you’d retract that crack about them not having a mandatory program in place to deal with the issue. The program isn’t perfect, and unfortunately bad people slip through the cracks from time to time, but what program is perfect?
Crap, as it is, we wrap the kids up so tight in protective rules that they almost can’t be kids anymore.
Nathan: If the scouts have done this nationwide, than I retract the statement willingly, and gladly. The Church has had a mandatory program for ALL churches ALL OVER AMERICA and the program has mmoved FROM America to europe. If the scouts have done this too? God bless them. God bless the Scouts anyway, no matter what, they do good work. Still, 95% of the time, you’re most likely to be molested by a family member. Who is training them? My point being that the Church- and the scouts and whomever- are the ones that get all the damned bad press, when the problem is a lot more widespread, and the worst offenders are the ones nobody is watching.
Polling the three scout leaders here at work, two said they have received training, one not. So I still don’t know, Nathan.
I think that both the false accusers and kiddy diddlers deserve the same fate.
The accusation itself is universally undefendable since it normally took place dacades ago. No witnesses remember the key events. No alibis can account for whereabouts. No physical evidence or a crime or harm resulting from it. Fast track if you name a priest who was already named by someone else. Enough “independent” complaints = automatic guilty priest.
I imagine the fraud in this is indecently high just because it is so easy. It will naturally attract anyone who can claim to have ever visited a Catholic Church as a child and who is predisposed to accepting free money at someone else’s expense.
“I imagine the fraud in this is indecently high just because it is so easy. It will naturally attract anyone who can claim to have ever visited a Catholic Church as a child and who is predisposed to accepting free money at someone else’s expense. ” hence my double disdain from them. To profit financially at the expense of an innocent is truly evil.
I not only defend Og’s position on false witness, I think it is even worse far worse. Falsely accusing a priest not only hurts the man, it harms the appeal of God to those who are too easily put off by the bad press pile-on. So not only is a good priest’s own work destroyed, but that to which he was earnestly committed was also harmed.
People turn to God to seek relief from the rotten in this world. But where can you go if you fear the sanctuary is dominated with rottenness of it’s own?
See, the aim of the govt-loving press is to diminish God’s influence and then to turn us against each other. Only Big Brother can save you.
Indeed, Pascal. it’s a horrible thing all around
When I was in scouts there was a scoutmaster that everyone thought was the coolest. Turns out he molested a good number of scouts.I did spend some time with that troop and with the benefit of hindsight I can take his attention in a completely different way.
Years later, after he got out of prison, he showed up at an auto repair facility that I worked at. Now, I am an asshole plain and simple. At work I am professional and keep my thoughts and opinions to myself. Until this douche-bag came in.
After several minutes of my rudeness he broke out the prison attitude. My boss started easing over when I said ” I’m one of the soouts you tried to butt-fuck, want to find out who gets fucked now?”
The boss decided he had a meeting somewhere and the molester all but ran out of the building.
Roger
Nicely done, Roger.
Well said!
As the father of a Father I hate that this happened. My son is not supposed to be alone with even his nephews or nieces, because of the harm these assholes did. And it breaks his heart, tho’ he won’t say it.
But then again, my anger is tempered by knowing we are all sinners. All of us. And there really isn’t a list of worse sins than others, tho’ you would think a pedophile would be in for a worse time than say, a liar.
I seem to remember reading something somewhere to the effect that the ratio of priest pedophiles to the number of priests was about the same as the ratio of citizen pedophiles to the number of citizens.
For the curious, this is a snapshot of the Grandfather I was referring to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV25nFozJv4
He’s the one in the Wheelchair (temporary). My Dad is the guy with the bow-tie.
Yes, there was a time when families were… normal.
*sigh*
I’m sucking donkeys in hell