Cindy Sheehan: Poster child for bad parenting
As a parent I am unwilling that any mother’s son die. Any. Ever. Even islamofascists. Life is too short to cause anyone more grief.
Ms Sheehan, contrary to what she says, Is not grieving for her child. She stopped caring about her child at all, when she decided he had gone to fight for “the Fuhrer”. Now, in Crawford, she holds up signs asking George Bush why HE killed her son, demonstrating her total disconnect with reality.
Michele Malkin does this in more detail, more clearly, than ever I could, but I’d like to discuss something with Ms Sheehan, should she ever decide to show her face in my lowly blog:
We have been extremely patient. We have given muslims all over the world, every possible chance to stop killing innocent people. They have not stopped killing innocent people. We have to stop them from killing innocent people before they kill everyone. It is their aim to kill everyone. If you cannot understand this simple fact, you need to pay more attention and stop drinking the koolade.
Speaking of drinking the koolade, Here’s something that needs some clarification. You cannot support the troops unless you support their comander in chief. You can disagree with him, but if you support the troops, you support their boss. Don’t support Bush? you don’t support the troops. Period. Clear?
I disagree. You can support the troops and not support their commander in chief. I did not support just about anything Clinton did but part of my service was during his presidency. So are you saying that when I served in Africa even though I laid down as much firepower as the next guy I was somehow not supporting the troops because I disagreed with Clinton and his reason for sending us to Africa? I would call that a naive view of how war works. I spent eight years in the Marine Corps infantry. How long were you in? I do like Bush better than I ever liked Clinton but I don’t think what he does a lot of times is the right thing to be doing. Just because I don’t support his decisions doesn’t mean I don’t support the troops though. Considering all that I do for my friends stationed over there I would say the way you have phrased this is a rather dumb way of looking at things.
Andy
U.S.M.C
Wpns Co 2/1
All due respect, please re-read the post. I disliked Clinton, I disagreed with every single thing he did- but as far as the military was concerned? I had to support his command decisions and hope and pray he was making the best ones he could.
As far as I am concerned, any moms of soldiers get as much latitude as they want and no criticism from me. I may disagree with her, but I’ll save my arguments for someone else. There are plenty of witless fools saying all manner of stupidity for me to disagree with.
I’m with Andy on this one: You can hope that someone’s doing the right thing without supporting it. I’d use this example: Say at your job some of your pals work under a total fruitbat supervisor who makes fucked-up decisions that are bankrupting your company. You hate that your pals work under this guy or broad, but they have to do what s/he says or they lose their jobs. You understand and you know that they’re doing what they gotta, but do you support the fruitbat? I wouldn’t.
War isn’t a job, broad. We’re not talking about getting fired. We’re talking about people dying. If there are four marines in a team, three members and one team leader, and the team members don’t support the leader? they could all die. They could all die anyway.
You can disagree with the President. You can fucking hate him. But he is the commander in cheif of the military of the United States. If you do not support him, you do not support the military.
So are you saying we should blindly support anyone in command? That kind of reasoning led Germans to support the Nazi killings of Jews after all they were just following orders and supporting their commander.
***I am not saying Bush is Hitler I actually like Bush as a president I am just saying you do not have to support bad commanders.***
Not supporting a bad commander is every good Marines job when placed under a bad oor unlawful command. We didn’t support our CO when I was stationed in Europe or the things he was doing and eventually we got him relieved of his command for what he was doing.
Bush is a phenominally bad commander in his role as commander-in-chief. Luckily his cabinet is far more competant at military things and has prevented him from creating a total disaster.
I could start by listing off all the ways I think Bush has totally f#cked up as a commander but it would go on for a long time. I think he shoots from the hip way to much and that is a really bad trait in a commander. It gets people killed. People that shouldn’t have had to die.
So far I have lost three friends to this war and I miss them but they knew ahead of time what they were going into and that they might not come back. We all knew that when we decided to serve. However just because we decided to serve does not mean we had to support everything the commander in chief wants done. That doesn’t mean we should storm the Whitehouse or anything stupid like that but it does mean we can withold support from bad commanders and do whatever we can to bring attention to their bad decisions so that they can be rectified and not repeated.
For instance say the Sgt of the guard at Abu Garib(sp?) told his soldiers to do something they knew they shouldn’t do. Witholding their support from him and disobeying his orders would be considered the correct thing to do in any military court and is perfectly justifiable under the UCMJ.
There are plenty of times where a commander does not rate his troops support and just because his troops don’t support him does not mean they do not support each other.
I think we should be in Iraq. I could really give a sh!t why we went but it accomplished some things I believe needed to be accomplished such as making the western border of Isreal a lot more secure.
However it doesn’t change the fact that Bush sucks as a commander-in-chief as did Clinton before him. Bush’s father on the other hand was awesome. I served under him as well and I would glady do so a million times over. His kid couldn’t command plastic soldiers in a sandbox and I definitely do not support him in his role as commander in chief. I can hardly wait until he’s gone just because he has made such a mess out of what should could have been a really good war for the US with a very positive outcome. Instead it has turned into a bungling mess.
I like Bush as a man. I like him in most of his roles he fills as president. I do not like him as a commander in cheif.
So, Andy: Withholding support for Bush is acceptible unde the UCMJ? I think not.
Look: There are a lot of bad officers, as there are a lot of bad enlisted men. And, there are a LOT MORE good officers and enlisted men. Withholding support DURING WARTIME except where following orders will result in your own death or the kind of Abu Ghraib BS we got from Lynndie, simply detracts from the mission, and ties up valuable resources. When the job is done, that’s the time to second guess and bitch. Not when hundreds of thousands of troops are under fire.
If Bush were that asshole Macnamara, and thousands of our guys were being killed every day because of horrible command decisions, that would be a different story, but he’s not. Maybe he’s made decisions you don’t like, but not supporting the commander in chief is what we call giving aid and comfort to the enemy. If you were taliban, in a cave in Afghanistan, which would you rather see on American sattelite tv- thousands of people berating the prtesident for everything he does, or a unified America, teeth gritted for war?
Regardless of the fact that I personally really don’t care why we went to Iraq it is still what many legal scholars consider an illegal war. Illegal according to our own constitution and the UCMJ. Had we given just cause for going I would feel differently but “pre-emptive war” is illegal by many of the laws that I and other service mebers served to protect. I think we should have gone to Iraq but not for the reasons we did and two wrongs don’t make a right. Because as a good citizen and a service member I should scrutinize my governments and commanders decisions I do. My scrutiny says the war in Iraq is largely illegal and as any good Marine should I choose not to support unlawful command decisions. I am going with my gut on this one. The last time I went with my gut and disobeyed an order I and all my men got medals and our commander got relieved of his command. I don’t take not supporting the commander in chief lightly but he put us in harms way for reasons that clearly violate everything from the Geneva convention to our own constitution. I will continue not to support him and history can be the judge of whether I was right or not.
As far as aiding the enemy *begin sarcasm* I’ll have to remember that next time I go to my friends graves who died while we served side by side. I’ll try and keep in mind that I am aiding and abetting when I try and hear out of my left ear which was deafened in an explosion during my service. I suppose I’ll have to remember it as well when I mis-key something on the keyboard because my right hand was badly mangled in that same explosion. Sure they put it back together again along with various other parts of me but the hand will never function at 100% again. Had I not been wounded I would still be serving as I was on track to do a full twenty years in the infantry. I suppose I should think about it as well when I am buying better body armor for my friends out of my own pocket and shipping it to them while they are in Iraq. Or while I am hosting their web sites and e-mail accounts so they can communicate for free with friends and family back home. */end sarcasm*
Just because I don’t support Bush as commander in chief does not by any stretch of the imagination mean I am aiding and abbetting. That is a very serious charge and you are definitely using it incorrectly. However the laws I served to protect give you the ability to say that if you wish just know that in doing so you are slandering a lot of service members who served freely and honorably yet feel the same way I do. I don’t think I am going to change your mind on this so I will quit arguing it as it serves no purpose if neither of us is going to ever be convinced the other is correct.
Fine andy. Believe whatever helps you sleep at night. I’ve buried a lot of people too. I won’t sully their memories or piss on their graves.