Negotiation.
The whole debt ceiling nonsense is not a negotiation, it’s more like an auction. Our freedom and our money is being auctioned off to the highest bidder.
And, it’s a damned good thing the powers that be are not “negotiating” with the American public, because it would go a bit more like this:
Congress:”Here’s our debt ceiling proposal. Say yes.”
me: “Oh, I’m sorry, you don’t understand the rules of negotiation. You propose one thing, I propose another. Then we try to meet in the middle, somewhere”
Congress:” So what do you propose?”
me:”I’m glad you asked. First, all the embedded burocrats will have their assets confiscated and used to pay down the deficit, and they will work for free from now on. The same goes for all members of the house and senate, and all their employees, but they will only do so until they are voted out, but if re-elected they will continue to serve free. Anyone who dislikes these terms will be able to opt out. Opting out involves looping a guitar string around their neck, and jumping off a railroad bridge. Voting for increased spending anytime without a 95% referendum vote from their constituency will result in public flogging, and execution of the officials favorite uncle. That’s our proposal, now where’s your counter proposal?”
Negotiation means starting from your OPTIMAL position, and giving a little ground. it does NOT mean starting six inches from your OPPONENT’s position and then giving ground, you fuckmonkeys.
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I’d be ok with Bruce Willis’ negotiating style in The Fifth Element. it’d solve time and effort and would thin down the size of government because they just wouldn’t get it.
Damn… I wish I had said all that.
Negotiation. AKA terms of surrender after a war has been decisively won.
Perhaps we should turn the administration’s “Chicago style” of politics against them.
American People: “Hey, nice little House of Representatives you got here!”
Speaker of the House (or Pres Pro tem of the Senate): Thank you.
American People: (Picking up Charlie Rangle by the neck, and snapping his neck in two) “Shame if something bad was to happen to it…ya know what I mean?”
Negotiation means starting from your OPTIMAL position, and giving a little ground. it does NOT mean starting six inches from your OPPONENT’s position and then giving ground, you fuckmonkeys.
But the Republicans’ true optimal position is only six inches from the Democrats’.
The problem is, that’s not what they tell us their optimal position is. Because if they did, we’d vote their asses out, and they know it.
At least the Democrats are HONEST about being in favor of tax-tax-tax-spend-spend-spend-and-to-hell-with-responsibility. The GOP is composed of a bunch of lying sacks of shit.
The GOP is composed of a bunch of lying sacks of shit.
Sir:
Shit has value. You unnecesarily malign it.
If by default you are already going to get what your optimal is, what is the point of negotiating? The default position is no increase in debt which means we get a balanced budget this year instead of some unimaginable distant year.
Ed, precisely.
If there were some way to gain control of one or more media outlets so as to counter the propaganda organs that are being used to warp the perspective of the new TEA party members of congress, we’d stand a chance.
The only thing available to us are blogs like this, but which remain too much an echo chamber. Keep repeating what you just posted, maybe displaying it in a prominent place at Atomic Fungus.
The way I see it, they’re not negotiating my freedom(s), they’re negotiating how much of my freedom(s) they’re going to recognize. The dissident locked in a jail cell still has the right to free speech; his government just chooses to penalize him for exercising it. (Hence, ‘inalienable’.)
Likewise, I choose to put up with the government’s tomfoolery, even though I’m not happy about it. Come a change in circumstance — a sudden increase in assets, or a sudden loss (or confiscation) of same, and that would probably change — Galt’s Gulch, there I’d go. If I may be crazy nerdy for a moment, it’s a “you can’t take the sky from me” thing. You can threaten me or tie me down to prevent me from flying, but you can no more take away the sky than you can breathe unaided underwater. It’ll still be there, waiting for such time as I can see it again.
Also: You’re completely right about shit. History tells us that stuff’s better than gold in the right applications.
You can lose the sky in an instant, Joan. You don’t want to know why I know that.
Og-
Agreement with all negotiation guidelines.
Until you get to the guitar string.
I’d prefer the Mussolini look … Throat slit, hung by heels from light post. Left for public display.
Regarding shit … ain’t the old saw, “Shit is like money, it does no one any good unless it’s spread around”
Believe me, I do keep saying it, in various ways, because I don’t know what else to do.
…shit may have value, but not as an elected official. Then again, had we elected bags of manure to office rather than the idiots we have, we’d probably be closer to a balanced budget than we are.
…that is to say, I WOULD post it at the Fungus if LJ wasn’t in the middle of a four-day-long DDoS attack. I’ve been managing to post after repeated tries but they’re still not really “up” yet.
I really, really, really like your proposal…
All The Best,
Frank W. James
“Negotiation means starting from your OPTIMAL position, and giving a little ground.”
Exactly. In an ideal world, this would not be necessary.
Considering tha fact that the Libtards are negotiating in bad faith and generally takes and outrageous position on… just about everything, its a small wonder that this country has gotten into the mess it has.
Frankly the Republican should start from an outrageous positon too, and then work from there.
But then… your ‘optimal’ position is already there…
Negotiation Flim-Flammery that is happening now:
Rep. Paul Ryan: “Let’s Pass A Bill To Cover The Moon With Yogurt”
http://politicalcorrection.org/video/201107280016
how do you deal with a party negotiates in bad faith?
Play hardball.
Nice post, Og.
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