For Professor Hale’s edification
I have never shot an animal in my life that was not a: A varmint eating my food or damaging my property, b: a varmint eating someone elses’s food or damaging his property, or c: intended for the dinner table.
I do not hunt for sport, and have never hunted for sport. Every animal I shot in Africa fed me and other people, every non-varmint animal I have ever shot has been eaten. In Africa the animals I shot fed literally hundreds of people. When i process a deer every single piece of meat I can extract from it ends up on the table in one format or another. I would not consider being involved in hunting for sport, and if I can get involved in talking people to Africa for hunting it will be to give people the opportunity to hunt, and to feed people in africa with the meat.
To suggest otherwise is the single most offensive thing anyone has ever said to me.
31 comments Og | Uncategorized
Well said, sir.
Indeed.
Never was much of a hunter. Too lazy to get up a oh dark thirty and pour deer urine on my boots.
Never understood the trophy hunter syndrome. Don’t need a hat rack and I prefer tile floors to rugs.
If I must shoot a trophy, I’ll ambush and murder a fearsome paper target. Less cleaning to accomplish.
I wasn’t judging. I don’t have a problem with trophy hunters, food hunters, hunting just for the fun, or any other form of humans harming wild-life. I certainly don’t elevate them moraly above the other food animals.
“They had it coming” is a perfectly fine excuse.
I am just not into it for myself.
And I already said I did not intend insult.
How can you continue to miss the point so badly?
Og, you’re missing an entire element to this story:
What about the Africans?
Hasn’t it ALWAYS been hunting camp tradition that the meat goes to the nearby villages?
Don’t they market their safaris/hunting leases on the basis of the fact that both trophy hunters AND meat hunters are welcome?
If these two points are true, doesn’t that moot YOUR point?
Just askin’, from a debater’s POV.
Best of luck with your new enterprise, though. I met quite a few folks at the recent Pacific Northwest International Sportsmens Expo who are doing just what you want to start up. Should be plenty of experiences out there to guide you.
How can yo continue to miss the point so badly?
It’s a gift.
“Og, you’re missing an entire element to this story:”
No, not really. I know this anyone who has ever read anything about hunting in Africa knows it. What I object to is this:
“Also, I don’t have any interest in killing things just to do so.”
Which requires the assumption that I do, or that that is what this is about. It’s rude and insulting, tantamount to saying “I prefer to have sex with my own wife, and leave the children and dogs to someone else”. But then Hale is the guy who thought Freedom meant he could make other people stop smoking because it bugged him. Maybe we’ll educate him yet.
Man, you get some of the most interesting arguments going.
Shot a buck one time that had a decent rack. The owner of the property wanted to get a picture of me and the deer. I just want to eviserate it so the meat would not spoil.
I have always been pretty good when it comes to killing critters. Don’t know that I like it, but they are all dead just the same.
It is more something I do, rather that who I am, if that makes sense.
Indeed, Paul. You kill for need.
I enjoy shooting animals. I even eat some of them.
Indeed, Paul. You kill for need.
A couple hundred miles west of me, there are prairie dogs. People travel there from all over the country to shoot them.
Yes they are varmints causing damage, but no, the people shooting them don’t need to kill them. The ranchers may need to, but they don’t have time, or it costs money, and they can’t get them all.
Get this, those people that travel from all over will sometimes pay to shoot them.
I don’t think you can make the case that the people spending hundreds in ammo and travel for shooting prairie dogs, sometimes paying landowners too for the privilege, are doing it out of need. They do it because they enjoy it.
Similarly, you aren’t going to Africa to shoot enough game to feed “literally hundreds” of people out of need in any sense of the word. You are doing it because you want to shoot them. That is called sport hunting. And there ain’t a damn thing wrong with that.
So, giraffe: you know about everything about this, right? Seems like you do. You can say you don’t know anything about it and apologize now. Or you can explain my plan and mission in detail to the assembled. You got until i get home from work, which is about two hours.
Ah, well. Guess you don’t have a clue either.
let me clue you into something else: Prairie dogs do incredible damage to livestock. Just like Groundhogs do to gardens. If you have a plot set up specifically for the purpose of hunting groundhogs, or prairie dogs, that’s sport hunting only, and it’s not ok. It might be OK for you, but it’s not ok for me.
Is the hunt legal? If yes I don’t see that anyone should have a say in it one way or the other. Is it legal? Yes. End of discussion.
I personally don’t hunt for sport or trophy, I hunt for my freezer, but saying that I have no say in someone sport or trophy hunting. It’s legal. therefore I should keep my yap shut. Now ILLEGAL hunting aka Poaching. That I have a very large issue for unless it is poaching to fill their larder. If they are poaching to feed their family, I don’t think there should be penalties attached to that. In fact I think for persons like that they should have special free permits available to them so it isn’t poaching.
Lots of legal things i find immoral. I dont care if someone else does them, just not me
Sounds to me like you got a pretty thin skin there son.
It’s a fuckin’ animal!
I was assuming we were all gentlemen here, or an incredible simulation of same.
Africa!
The company of sporting acquaintances!
Two weeks doing something most of us only fantasize about!
If we ever laid sights on game, it would be a bonus!
Professor Hale! I understand this may not be your kind of thing! That doesn’t give you the right to piss all over it for the rest of us!
Skip:
Not your son.
Let the creator judge you by the way you treat “Just an animal”.
I don’t have a thin skin, I have a moral compass, you youse yours the way you choose, and I’ll use mine likewise. otherwise, take a sweet lick off the creamy end of my fuckstick, as the old boys used to say.
John: Indeed. Even driving around Africa is amazing and wonderful. And a hell of a learning experience.
All this reminds me of something seen at vanderleun’s this morning: Announcing “I’m offended” is basically telling the world you can’t control your own emotions, so everyone else should do it for you.
Arcs: I’m offended, and I am in complete control of my emotions, at all times. Taking offense to something offensive is perfectly normal. Expecting the world to fix it for you is something a Democrat does.
When I take adequate offense, I see to it myself that the offending party understands the error of his ways. I like Prof Hale a good deal, and I am confident he did not intend to offend, which is why he can still use his own teeth to chew. Not pointing out to someone that their behavior is offensive is the mark of a moron; it’s the way “permissive” parents raise their kids, never pointing out to them that their behavior is offensive. I don’t know about you, but when my behavior was offensive, I was taught the error of my ways. Are you yourself not offended by the actions of politicians? if not, you must be an idiot. Got anything else witty to add?
“A varmint eating my food or damaging my property, b: a varmint eating someone elses’s food or damaging his property”
So…. anyone up for an Occupy Safari? ;)
I like the way you think, Grau.
That doesn’t give you the right to piss all over it for the rest of us!
Sorry. I didn’t realize this was for a bunch of women to talk about their feelings and just expect unlimited emotional support.
I thought this was market research. The only data I can provide is what I would do with this opportunity. That is what was asked for. It would be a dis-service to Og to feed him a bunch of “follow your dreams, girl” and then not sign up for a full retail priced trip when the time came.
“I thought this was market research.”
it is. And the research I wanted were the questions in the survey. Typically, everyone had to go past that to their own personal opinions which weren’t what I was looking for, answering a lot of questions that I didn’t ask.
“That is what was asked for”
No, I asked you to answer the questions in the survey. What I GOT, instead, was a bunch of whiney bitches saying ignorant shit like “I don’t have any interest in killing things just to do so”
I had a chance to be a gentleman, and instead, i was an asshole. I decided I knew more than the host in this conversation, even though I knew nothing of the actual facts, and I made asinine comments based on my own stupidity. And now I’m just another troll.
Og, in Africa, does one’s license or tags include the taking of ‘net trolls, or are they “open season”, being vermin?
The prarie dog, however nettlesome, is noble in comparison.
And on an unrelated note, I just got to zero my AR build today. Sub 1/2 MOA, five shot group, with fewer than 100 rds total down the tube. And I’ve not even bought the Federal Gold Match ammo for it yet.
Only boltie I’ve fired that’ll exceed that is a Rem 700 5-R, .308, mounted into an Accuracy Intl. ASIC stock. One-hole (barely cloverleafed) gropus with that one. Now, if only the owner thereof will agree to sell it to me!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
“Arcs: I’m offended, and I am in complete control of my emotions, at all times. Taking offense to something offensive is perfectly normal. Expecting the world to fix it for you is something a Democrat does. ”
Snort. Love that one.
“Got anything else witty to add?”
Well, yeah. Taking offense does not equal the announcment that “I’m offended.”
In which language? Because in english, it does
much as I hate to admit to it Prof. Hale did make a legitimate point.
What’s our price point? I found some 15 day camera safaris running around loose for $3,000.00 to $3,500.00. can we do better than that? and what ideally are we paying for?
Gotta have some info before I max out all my cards.
John: Did you even look at the survey? Did you not see the part where it asked what money you’d be interested in spending? Does nobody understand that the entire point of the survey was to find the answers to these questions? is this thing on?