Forging and metallurgy
There is a good deal of discussion about this all over the place, and it’s pretty important where it comes to firearms.
Predominantly, there’s a simple way to explain it all: A forged bar is like a board, and a cast bar is like a piece of particleboard. Particleboard shelves are fine if you’re going to be using them for pictures and knickknacks, even paperback books if the span isn’t too far. But if you’re going to keep glossy books on the shelf, you want the board.
It is the grain of the board that is critical in this example; the regular board cut from a tree has layers and layers of aligned cells that are deposited as rings as the tree grows. When the tree is cut into boards, the sawyer tries to make the grain as straight and true as possible. Particleboard, on the other hand, is made from compacted sawdust- some, even without any binders, a combination of heat and the resins inherent in the sawdust cause the binding together of the individual grains of sawdust. The bonds between the grains of sawdust are small and weak, and even though it holds together for normal furniture, it’s the laminar structure of the natural wood that gives strength.
That word is extremely important to the rest of this discussion: Laminar. It means “Flat†or “Straightâ€. It is what gives wood it’s strength on a cellular level, and what makes plywood strong- in fact, the different layers in plywood are called “Laminationsâ€.
Particleboard has been “Improved†though the years, and now they make a product called “Aspenite†or “OSBâ€(Oriented strand board) which combines some of the properties of more expensive plywood with less expensive particleboard. Strands of Aspen are aligned and then bonded and pressed together under heat and some not inconsiderable pressure, resulting in a product that has found a common home in home building and repair projects. Hardly a garden shed exists that doesn’t have a couple sheets of aspenite in it.
There are several properties of metals that are critical to how it is used. In no particular order:
Elasticity is the property of metal wherin it can “Spring backâ€, the ability of a metal to be deformed up to a certain point and return to it’s original position, and do so for extended periods of time. Watch springs, car springs, all springs are examples of metals that have a high level of elasticity.
Ductility is the property of a metal that allows itself to be elongated or stretched. Ductile metals include copper and certain alloys of aluminum, that can be drawn into wire quite readily.
Malleability is the ability of a metal to take on a shape via compression without rupturing. This may sound complex, but think of bread dough and cookie dough, for a moment. Bread dough can be rolled out quite thin, but if you mash a wad of cookie dough it cracks around the edges (Usually) because it is not malleable. By the same token, certain alloys of certain metals will fracture at the edges if beaten enough. Look at an abused wood splitting wedge, for instance, or a cold chisel that has been repeatedly hit by a hard faced hammer. Malleability is what allows gold to be hammered- using the crudest of methods- into sheets that are only a few molecules thick.
Toughness is defined as the ability of a metal to resist penetration. A tough metal may be used for it’s properties of impact absorption, as in the crush zones on modern cars. Most of them are made from metals that can permanently deform but not fail. There’s an impact absorbing pipe in the steering wheel of your car; otherwise you’d have a hole punched in your chest if you got in an accident. Same with the front bumper, since the 70’s. The pipe or metal bracket crumples instead of translating the inertia to the occupants of the vehicle. Another example of tough metal is the guard rails on the edge of the highway- they are made to self destruct while absorbing the impact yet prevent the vehicle from plummeting off the edge of the road.
Brittleness is the tendency of a metal diametrically opposite plasticity. Hard tool steels can be very brittle, as can cast iron and steel, but brittleness is not the same as hardness; cast iron can be so soft it can be carved easily with a pocketknife, but carbide will cut almost anything and shatters quite as readily as glass.
There are a lot more pieces to this puzzle, and we are still learning what some metals can do. We do, however, have an extraordinary body of knowledge about things just because we have been playing with metals for (relatively) so long.
One of the things we discovered quite readily about metals was this: They don’t always have the same properties. Sometimes, when you warm something, a metal that is ordinarily brittle becomes malleable. Sometimes you can change the hardness of a material by heating it and then cooling it, and sometimes you can change the other properties as well, by adding other elements to the iron.
Iron and steel do not have “Molecules†in the same way we think of other things having “Moleculesâ€. Iron and steel form a crystal lattice with particles of iron, carbon, and other elements. When strain is placed on those crystal lattices by outside forces, the resulting bonds can act in unusual manners. One such instance is heat; under the correct conditions, enough heat applied to steel causes it to lose it’s abilities to react to a magnetic field. On cooling, the steel reverts to it’s former magnetic properties.
Using heat and forging allowed early metalsmiths to use inferior, impure steel to make superior weapons, by any number of methods, predominantly by heating and drawing the iron until it made the shape you needed, either for a sword or a plowshare or whatever you needed.
Early on, the swordmakers of Japan, and later Damascus and Toledo, figured out that they could enhance that “Drawing†process by folding the metals used and then drawing them again and again. This made for some really amazing steel, and though the swordsmiths didn’t understand what they were doing, exactly, at least at the molecular level, they understood well enough to do amazing things with the steel.
See, they were able to change the crystalline structure of the steel by “Squooshing†the atoms of steel and carbon and etc together in ways they would not have assembled themselves naturally.
When you make a cake, you assemble ingredients, and sometimes those ingredients form chemical bonds together that make them form new substances. Baking powder and water, for instance, produce carbon dioxide, and leaven the cake (or bread, or whatever) but for the most part, there is no physical action you can do to a cake that will dramatically improve it’s comestibility. Metals, when they are alloyed, are still composed of the same ingredients, but in tiny amounts, in the crystal lattice. Hammering the steel, unlike hammering the cake, has an effect on that structure, and the effect can be very good indeed.
Because that crystalline structure is similar to the cells in a piece of wood, it can be said to have a “grain†And forging causes that “grain†to move in a very specific way.
Imagine a simple chair made out of particleboard. It wouldn’t be very strong- the legs, simply under compression, might be OK, but the seat wouldn’t have much strength, and a guy my size would invariably end up on the ground. Making the chair out of boards helps and works fine, but eventually, even the best constructed joints come loose.
Boatbuilders at one time would search for trees with “Kneesâ€, bends that allowed them to make the keel of ships out of one unspliced piece of wood, for maximum strength. Imagine being able to make a chair out of one piece of wood, grown in the shape of a chair, simply waiting for someone to come along and scrape off the bark. It would be immensely strong, because the ‘grain†of the wood would be unbroken- it would transition smoothly around bends and corners and the unbroken strength of the grain would be almost impossible to separate.
This is what forging does. Forging allows you to do just that; to make the grain of metal flow in a laminar method so that the grain takes on the shape of the part that it is required.
There are a few issues there. It’s very possible to forge a crankshaft or a connecting rod and have the flow of the metal be very near to the actual finished size and shape. On the other hand, forgings of complex parts can be a real pain in the ass.
The thing that makes forging work so well for some parts is what is called ‘Near netâ€. Near net means that the part is forged to as closely as possible to the final shape of the part- some parts are forged so close to the final shape that only the critical surfaces are machined at all. Pistons, connecting rods, crank and camshafts, all show at least half their surface as forged, not machined at all. What this means is that the grain follows the actual shape of the metal, and keeps it extremely strong.
On something like a 1911 slide, it is impossible to practically forge a part to near net, at least on the inside where it is critical. All those surfaces are machined in some way. So the advantages (in that respect) provided by forging are not really dramatically better than machining a slide out of a bar. Forging technology is improving all the time, of course, so the likelihood that a near net 1911 slide forging is in our future is probably good.
Forging does have other properties that do help that slide, though, and make it superior to cast or billet machined slides. The grain of a forging, while it doesn’t follow the contours of the inside of the slide, does follow the length of the slide, making it extremely strong in that direction, making it much less likely to stretch and change headspace. Forging also allows the secondary heat treating of the part to result in more uniform properties.
All metals are a combination of the above properties in various percentages- you want hardness to resist wear, you want the resilient ductility, and the toughness to resist the forces that the item will encounter.
One of the parts that is often forged to near net is the AR receiver. The amount of machining that gets done to these is minimal, for several reasons. First, because the less machining required the mess expensive they are to make, and second, the less material is removed, the stronger the aluminum is because the “grain†of the aluminum is flowing directly in the direction of the stresses in the metal.
It is not lost on most of the people I know, that are aware of how metallurgy works, that the “Reardon metal” of Atlas Shrugs is not only a physical impossibility, but a laughable stupidity.
The science of metallurgy is pretty well fixed and known, and only being able to smelt materials in zero G will ever allow us to move beyond our current level of ability, I expect. While we learn interesting and new things from time to time, those times are fewer and further between with each new step.
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While Wikipedia doesn’t discuss the properties of Rearden metal, it does mention the mysterious “motor” that turns “atmospheric static electricity” into useful energy.
…in violation of the Laws of Thermodynamics. *sigh*
Anyway, this is a good piece on the properties of metals. Thanks for posting it!
IMO, both “Rearden Metal” and the “magic motor” belong to that class of machines called “plot devices” which are there simply to enable a story. They’re not supposed to be real. Voluntary suspension of disbelief and all that.
But to the main point, thanks for a good explanation of all this. I took materials, but I’m a EE, so it’s all way in the past and well past 4 or 5 half lives ago.
When you forge something, what exactly are you forging? Castings? You put “something” into the forging press/machine/thingy – that metal was molten at one point and either cast or extruded or shaped, somehow, into bars or plates or other chunks, right? So the forces of the forge realign the crystal domains in the metal and change its properties.
Care to enlarge on that?
Most of the time, yes. A “Forged” aluminum part is usually forged from a casting. Classic example are the front and rear axle bearing housings for cars- a lot of them are aluminum, and they are all castings befor they are forgings. They are heated in a big oven to around 900 degrees (Based on the part) and then forged in a big press. The castings have tabs and globs of material on them so that when forged they ‘Flow” in the appropriate shape/form.
About ten years ago I was working on a job where they had a very large press, and I made the mistake of opening my mouth as it came down. The sound waves travelling in my mouth had the effect of bursting an eardrum. Not pretty.
There’s a term I’ve heard from time-to-time: drop forged. Does that mean anything, or is it just a marketing term?
M
I believe that hardness is the ability to resist penetration, not toughness.
As near as I remember “drop forging” is shaping parts by putting a blank in a die and dropping a huge, heavy, sometimes multiple tons, “hammer” from a formulated height to shape the part. Wrenches,hammers, some cutting tools, connecting rods, those sorts of things. Things that need ungodly strength at a reasonable price. Drop forging is usually an efficient procedure.
I’m sure Og will correct me if I’m wrong. And I’ll appreciate it. Always willing to learn. It’s been said (by my wife, and recently) that you can always tell a Norwegian, you just can’t tell him much.
Gerry Nygaard
Paul: Not so much. Carbide is hard, and it does not resist penetration at all. Hit it with a center punch and it shatters like glass. Toughness is the property of being able to resist penetration (or, to make this clearer, impact) without excessive deformation. The Charpy test and the izod test hit a sample of a part and measure at what force they break or how much they bend.
You’re thinking of a Rockwell test, that checks the relative hardness of certain types of steel by pressing a ball into a sample at a precise force; the distance the ball penetrates gives the hardness of the part, but this is a measurement, and not so much a property.
gerry: Precisely correct. There are hydraulic forges, that carefully squeeze the hot metal into a shape, controlling how the metal flows, and there are “hammer” or “Drop” forges, that use steam or weight or rotary motion to slam the parts together with not a little violence.
Apocryphally, there’s a Japanese tool company that expanded tothe english speaking market, and after miming the company name (Strike the table with your fist! Forging, right?) the translator shrugged his shoulders and pronounced the company name to be “Strong Hit” they did eventually get ‘Drop Forged’ in there.
here’s an example of “Drop forging” in action. This looks like an old steam hammer converted to air up. Air pressure lifts the hammer (Which is probably two and a half or three tons) and gravity drops it.
Og,
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think “penetration resistance†and “impact resistance†are equivalent. I’ve never heard toughness described in terms of “penetrationâ€. I’ve always seen it and used it as the amount of energy per volume that a material can absorb before rupturing, or for those who are so inclined, the area under the stress-strain curve of the material. Thus, elastomers tend to be very tough materials, in that they can absorb considerable impact without rupture. However, they can be easily penetrated with a knife due to low hardness. At the other extreme, carbides are very hard, strong materials, but have poor toughness. Thus, they are easily shattered by an impact, but it’ll resist penetration admirably.It would have to, in order to serve as a cutting tool for metals.
You’re right that hardness is not a fundamental property of a material, but it’s an extremely commonly used method of comparison. A Rockwell test is but one way (with various scales and methods contained therein) to test hardness. There are many others, some of which measure the materials resistance to indentation, some which measure the amount of elastic rebound a material has when hit by a hard material (like a hardened hammer), and abrasion resistance, such as the venerable file and scratch test.
Also, please forgive me if it seems like I’m trying to teach you to suck eggs; that is not my intent. I’ve nowhere near your age (wisdom?) or experience, and it was your technical knowledge which drew me to your blog in the first place.
Paul: Take a sheet of glass, and a… a muffin. Use either one to cover a hole. Now take an automatic center punch. use the center punch to push into the hole. Does the muffin stop it? it’s not tough. Does the glass stop it? It’s not tough. the muffin is soft, the glass is hard, but neither are tough. ‘Resistance to penetration” Does NOT mean “Oh,it’s hard to make a dent” it means “hard to penetrate”. You get in a tank that is hardened, and I’ll get in a tank that is toughened, and tell me which will be safer to be in when shot at?
Carbide, by the way has almost no resistance to penetration. Solid ceramic tools are available that will cut carbide like butter, but drop one on carpet and it turns to powder. Personal experience speaks. You’re confusing toughness for hardness, and it’s not the same thing.
I think I found the disconnect. What you call penetration is not the same as what I am referring to as penetration.
“Hardness has a variety of meanings. To the metals industry, it may be
thought of as resistance to permanent deformation. To the metallurgist, it
means resistance to penetration. To the lubrication engineer, it means resistance to wear. To the design engineer, it is a measure of flow stress. To the mineralogist, it means resistance to scratching, and to the machinist, it means resistance to machining. Hardness may also be referred to as mean contact pressure. All of these characteristics are related to the plastic flow
stress of materials.”
That’s from ASM International’s Introduction to Hardness Testing, https://www.asminternational.org/content/ASM/StoreFiles/06671g-ch.pdf
Another one from SME:
What is the definition of “plastic penetration”?
Metal penetration that is permanent. During hardness testing, plastic penetration is measured to determine hardness.
http://www.toolingu.com/definition-350260-19793-plastic-penetration.html
Carbide has low resistance to penetration, but it requires exotic solid ceramic tools to do so? I’m afraid I don’t understand.
Anyway, I’ve enjoyed this, but I’ve already spent too much time on it. The last word is yours, as is right and proper, it being your blog and all.
Have a good one,
Paul
“Carbide has low resistance to penetration, but it requires exotic solid ceramic tools to do so? I’m afraid I don’t understand.”
Ceramic is hard. Ceramic also has no resistance to penetration. Ceramic will cut carbide, because it’s hard, but has no resistance to penetration. Ceramic, carbide, glass, all are materials that have “Hardness” but do not display the property “Toughness”. Hardness and brittleness often (but not always) go hand in hand. Hardness and toughness are not wholly mutually exclusive either, but are rare together. An axe head is tough, but it’s edge has to be hard to be useful. A samurai sword was tough in the back, and hard on the edge. Making any more sense? I’ll have to dig out my old metallurgy book from Purdue. Granted, it’s 30 years old and the terminology may have changed, but the principles haven’t.
This is very informative, but what’s it got to do with OMG TAGG ROMNEY OWNS ALL THE VOTING MACHINES IN OHIO AND IS GOING TO STEAL THE ELECTION??? http://www.politicolnews.com/tagg-romney-invested-in-ohio-electronic-voting-machines/
Forging technology is improving all the time, of course, so the likelihood that a near net 1911 slide forging is in our future is probably good.
Probably – but will it gain us anything, considering how durable even original 1911-year 1911s have been?
Exactly, Sig. The point is the ever increasing freakishness of people buying these platforms, and how far they will go in search of the “perfect’ weapon, when- in the end- plain durability is plenty, spend time shooting.
I’ll throw in: SOME ceramics are very able to resist penetration. Once. The strike plates in body armor, for instance: can stop a armor-piercing .30-cal bullet, sometimes multiple hits of standard bullets, but the thing has to be replaced after that.
Don’t know if still the case, but son mentioned a bunch of troops being informed that if they dropped any of their new plates on the concrete(putting them in the armor), they’d have to pay for replacing them, as one such drop was considered sufficient to compromise them.
Yep, just like a scooter helmet. And the chest plates etc. are made to spread that energy around and absorb it, as you say, once. You wouldn’t use a used one, if you wanted it to protect you. And that material is a conglomeration of many things, too, just the ceramic pad by itself is not adequate protection, it is usually backed with kevlar or aramid fiber, or borin fiber, or combinations.
Shit, Firehand here knows more about metallurgy than any ten of the rest of us, I’m only talking about shit I have personal experience with, and Firehand is an actual blacksmith.
I know a few things, but you have a level of technical education in this I never got to. Speak up, I always learn something. Even if it’s just(is there a ‘just’ in this stuff?) learning the proper way to describe something.
I got my old metallurgy book and looked at the current edition on Amazon, and they give different definitions of the terms in both places. Wish they would get their shit together.
“Wish they would get their shit together.”
We can at least agree on that!
lol. You got that right, Paul. And I’m not being contentious, I’m just talking about what I was taught, 5 years at Inland taking my apprenticeship, and twenty years in the metalworking industry. You know what I’m talking about, we’re jnust using different words to describe it.
So, I wanted to do this earlier, but since I’d left my Machinery’s Handbook at work, I couldn’t check it until today.(I have a strange work schedule, due to school). On page 465 of the 28th edition it has this to say about hardness:
“Hardness is a measure of the ability of a metal to resist penetration as determined by any one of a number of standard tests (Brinell, Rockwell, Vickers, etc).”
However, I’ve also run into several instances (even within the M’s H) where the definition you’re using is used, so… I guess that’s that.
Oh, and I didn’t take it as being contentious; I enjoyed the exchange.
Lol. Paul- my Machinerys is a first edition. It doesnt have some MATERIALS in it. damned cellphone.
Damn, didn’t know you were THAT old…
It was inherited. I also have a 22 but i like the 1 most of all