Let’s try a little thought experiment.
Just to see if I can penetrate the thick skull of someone used to “Chain of command”
See, in the military, there is a hierarchical chain of command by which only the immediate superior of an individual can give a person a command and that person can only pass that command down one level. That is, of course, a gross oversimplification of the process, I’m sure plenty of people will come along and “Set me straight” on this, but I am of the opinion that this is generally if not specifically accurate.
Thankfully, the world is not the military, though there are plenty of parallels.
Let’s say for example Ralph Gotrox has a huge mansion. He hires Billy Bobs mansion Maintenance Company to take care of it.
Billy Bob farms everything out. He’s actually just a figurehead and spends most of his time on a beach in Jamaica, his nephew Ray Bob actually runs the business
Ray Bob maintains many mansions, so he has a team of housekeepers that clean all of them. He also has a team of roofers, because mansions have roofs that need maintaining, and it takes a lot of people. there are also tuckpointers and snowplowers and groundspeople.
One of the groundspeople is Juan’s mean and green. Juan mows a lot of lawn, but he never sees a blade of grass, he has five teams of actual groundskeepers. One of his teams is led by a guy named Jesus who everyone calls Chuy. Chuy has three mowers, a trimmer, and one guy who is especially good with flowerbeds. The flowerbed guy’s name is Andre.
Andre is out in the front of billy Bob’s mansion, carefully deadheading the roses. Who does he work for?
No, not Chuy. Chuy is just his immediate superior, but if Chuy wasn’t there then Juan could just as easily tell him what needs doing. So is it Juan? Why the fuck would Juan tell him what to do unless Ray Bob told him what he wanted done? So is Ray Bob the boss? Fuck no. Ray bob doesn’t give a flying rats ass about that bedamned rosebush, and would leave it alone except for the orders he received from Billy Bob, who, on his beach in Jamaica, is too damned drunk to give a shit. No, the boss, the customer, is Ralph Gotrox. In any employment hierarchy the employer and the employee are the only two elements that can not be removed from the equation. the man who pays for the work, and the person who does it. The only reason the intermediaries exist is convenience- and the same is true of our government. because as individuals we didn’t want to have to ALL deal witht he teachers on the school board and ALL have to negotiate with US steel for the material to build a battleship. We as taxpayers have, over the years, created a hierarchy that allows us to accomplish all the myriad tasks of operating a nation, but somewhere along the way, the hierarchy got the impression that IT was in charge and forgot the real employer- the one who pays the bills. This is not a motivational poster, it is an unassailable fact. Any other attitude is not merely wrong, it is actively evil.
Professor Hale has shown himself to be a reasoning and moderately efficient steward of the resources for which he is entrusted. otherwise I wouldn’t even have this conversation. The fact that he has bought the “You’re not the boss of me” party line is distressing because he is one of the good ones. Imagine what the real scumbags are like. And the core of the problem with the government- the whole nation, in fact- is that people think their boss is just the person that can fire them. And we, as the providers of the currency, have had that ability forcibly removed from us in almost all cases. it is rarely the elected officials that are the major problem, but the mass of bureaucrats who are insulated against reprisal for incompetence.
Once again: The employer and the employee are the last two people in the equation when everything else has disappeared. the one who pays, and the one who gets paid; the one who needs the work done, and the one who does the work. Everyone else is just a parasite or a bureaucrat.
16 comments Og | Uncategorized

8th para, penultimate sentence, I think you meant “real employer”.
Indeed, thanks, Nathan.
Well said, and on the money… OUR money as a matter of fact…
True dat.
I think one problem we need to address is the elected group, which is something we somewhat control, can fire the bureaucrat group. I know in my town mayor and city council do not have the authority to remove people.
I know a lot of people who go into the bureaucrat layer simply because it is so hard to get fired at that level.
Point taken. But anyone who comes up to a civil servant and speaks to them rudely and throws in “I PAY YOUR SALARY” as a justification for being rude is an ass.
(This does in no way mitigate ultraofficious personnel who are rude and unhelpful to the public. There should be “civil” in civil servant.)
This goes quadruple for anyone who says this to law enforcement or first responders.
Double ditto the people who tell veterans they resent having to pay for their health care, as I heard someone say recently. I’m not a retired veteran but the person it was said to spent 30+ years in military service and I would think after putting yourself in harm’s way for your nation for such a long time, paying for their health care is the least we can do.
Just saying. YMMV.
Jenny
The civil servant should be so mindful of the fact that the taxpayer pays his salary that nobody ever need say that. Rude and incompetent civil servants are the whole problem.
Here is your unassailable fact:
Barack Obama is the President of the United States and no matter what the Constitution or his bosses say, he can do anything he wants to do. There is no power on earth that can fire him short of killing him. And when he finally does leave office, he will be replaced by another guy just like him who is also accountable to NO ONE.
The problem is not that there are employees who do not understand their relationship to their employer. The problem is that America has reached that point where enough people have stopped voting so that a majority of those who do still vote can control the outcome of elections and appoint themselves the boss, at the expense of everyone else.
Sweet! Way to avoid confronting the fact that you are wrong by massive misdirection!
Sorry hale. I do hope you eventually figure this out.
Prof Hale.
I have one word for you. Impeachment. We can definitely fire the one and escort him from the building.
Hell, if the military did their job they could finish this in the rose garden, just like any other third world dictator.
As to the elections, I am convinced the Democrats control the vote. Or do you find it normal that some voting areas in there control have more votes than citizens? Or the fact they keep pulling out paper votes till they can get the balance in the correct direction?
But cooking the vote was not part of this discussion, civil servants was. And should the civil servants be the true blue civic minded citizens they claim to be they would not be cooking the books to make sure there candidate is elected. Instead they are becoming venal rent seekers that show attitude should they be asked to do something other than polish their nails.
Sorry to hijack the comments, Og.
Re: Impeachment. Good luck storming that castle.
Civil service was not the discussion either. The discussion was the relationship between customer and server.
And these nails aren’t going to polish themselves.
Civil service what? You missed the point by that broad a margin? You don’t realize that the entire discussion is about civil service?
Sorry, I thought the civil service thread was the vehicle to illuminate your more fundamental points about the relationships.
Reverse that.
The civil servant should be so mindful of the fact that the taxpayer pays his salary that nobody ever need say that. Rude and incompetent civil servants are the whole problem.
Part of the problem- BIG part- is they(not all, far too many) don’t see the taxpayer as their boss; for far too many the only opinion that matters is the division or agency head: “Screw the taxpayer, THAT guy can actually cause me problems!”
So the taxpayer is treated as an annoyance to be tolerated, no more.
Which also covers LE agencies who know officers are breaking ethics and law, but won’t really do anything about it. “Yeah, he’s an asshole, but we can’t fire him/demote him/whatever for this, you know how much trouble that’ll cause?” The taxpayer, they one supposed to be ‘protected and served’ is where the money comes from but is to be ignored if he’s causing annoyance.
Firehand: Thank you for having understod and survived the brainwashing that Hale succumbed to. I wish there were a LOT more of you. You define the term “civil servant”
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