A long time ago in a galaxy far far away
I took my machinists apprenticeship at Inland Steel. There was almost nobody there I grew really close to, including one guy who eventually became my brother in law. I had a lot of friends, but only a very few ‘Friends”. Out of that couple hundred millwrights, electricians, pipefitters, operators, machinists, I think I hung out with four people outside of work, and most of the time it was only one guy.
His name was Jon, and he was a superior millwright. His family was Jewish, and his dad ran a classic haberdashery, where I purchased my very first bespoke suit. Jon and I went to movies together, escaped our wives together, and got our first computers at the same time. We even got modems and chatted online! Imagine!!! in 1982!! I had a Franklin Ace, and he had an Apple 2. We swapped games and programs and files, we found out about bulletin boards and TELNET and USENET and ARPANET and all kinds of other stuff.
The mill, for the time I worked there, was a pretty rough and tumble place. Even people you knew and liked were prone to lighting you up, and if you didn’t like someone all bets were off. It was a common thing to corner a guy in the shower, naked, and beat him with a rubber hose for his birthday.
Anyway, Jon and I and a few others stayed away and above this sort of thing. We were smart enough never to let our birthdays be known and we were careful in the showers, choosing to hang with the old timers who would brook no such nonsense.
Jon led a completely separate life from the mills- he was a dandy, he dressed extremely well, and spent most of his time downtown Chicago on his days off. In the Inland days, he was unmarried and still hitting the gay bars every weekend and many was the time I picked him up at some apartment where he had landed and drove him back to some bar to pick up his car. Had the rest of the crew at Inland known this they would have beat him senseless, which is exactly what we all did when I outed him at work.
What?
No, I never did any such thing. But a powerful lot of the people who think they know me suspect that this is the kind of person I am, which merely proves how ignorant they are. See, my dad’s stepbrother- now long since dead- was queer as a $3,* and I had good and well developed gaydar from an early age. I knew Jon was gay or at least bi, and I knew what kind of trouble that would be for him if it ever became well known, but it was never discussed. I showered naked with him (and a couple hundred other guys) every single day for four years and it never gave me a moment’s discomfort. I never concerned myself with his personal proclivities because mine are and were of such a nature that the mechanics of homosexuality seem fairly tame by comparison; I was clearly the pervert in that friendship.
We were friends because we shared interests. Partner, during that time, was unfortunately not on the “Approved” list of friends according to the ex wife, so Jon was the guy I hung with. He kept me sane through the difficulties of my first marriage as it failed, and when he got married (Predominantly to ensure his lineage; he was, after all, a Jew, with the inbred desire to keep the line going)I was there and kept him from losing it during the worst of their times.
He was my friend. He lives in Indianapolis now and is still my friend, though I have not seen him in person for many years.
The idea that I have any issue with gay people is of course ludicrous to anyone who actually knows me-John would have laughed out loud with his funny, barking laugh. The idea that I want to harm them in any way is equally ludicrous, like the morons who say “Catholics believe god hates gays!” No, we do not, and no, he does not. Homosexual relations are considered sinful behavior just like all the other sinful behavior that exists, and homosexuals are welcome in the Catholic church just like other sinners are welcome in the Catholic church. No, the Catholic Church does not consider homosexual relations acceptable, and in fact no Christianity can exist where they are considered acceptable. Sorry; you can disagree but you’re wrong.
Instead of making racism disappear properly we tried to force it by force of law, and now a worse racist divisiveness exists than existed before, because it is constantly used as a weapon. Feminism has done the same thing and had the same effect. Making gays the new protected class has had the effect of making a new divisiveness where too much divisiveness existed already. The left has done an excellent job of helping to create this divisiveness, and there are some pretty clear reasons. The primary one is NOT to gather votes, because the gay population is so small its voting bloc is meaningless. The clear intention is to force the impression on the population that “Gays should be given everything they want because they deserve it just like you and me” (Which is of course ignorant) and that anyone who disagrees is a mean poopy headed gay hater.
There is another agenda, and it is clear to me, and that is the group that will side with anyone against the church. I get this, I really do; if you’re not too smart and you have been harmed by someone, the urge to destroy G-d is strong.(As if he directly caused your trouble) I can only have pity on the people that have that damage, I can’t fix them so all I can do is pray for them and hope they find healing.
This is the plan- damaging the church, which is the last wall between socialists and everything they desire. They discovered- much to their dismay- that the Church is not the clergy but the faithful, and while they won’t stop damaging the clergy they have now set their aim on the faithful and damaging their ability to worship. I am of course insane for even thinking this, though it is already happening elsewhere and is on it’s way here very soon. it will happen here, and worse, because we have institutionalized the slaughter of innocents, and in doing so have as a culture run away from the Creator.
This is why I am of the opinion that the number of actual Christians on the planet is in the mid to high five figures. I do not see the kind of activity there should be if there were larger numbers.
What I do see, though, is a terrible resolve. I am annoyed that the left has decided to pit the faithful against gays because in reality, the faithful recognize sinful behavior and just want not to celebrate it, any more than they want to celebrate abortion, or murder, or theft. had the left not jammed their filthy mitts into the issue the gay lifestile might just have eventually peacefully merged with everything else, and none of it would be any big deal to anyone. Those who are in the game are not smart enough to understand that they are being manipulated, and those supporters of it have taken to their training well, and dismiss the notion out of hand that there might be an agenda other than the one they see.
I don’t have an overwhelming desire to see harm come to anyone. Anyone that can do my commute and honestly say that will understand what I mean. I just don’t want others harming me because they have chosen to believe some leftist shibboleth instead of reasoning it out for themselves. The knee jerk “You just hate gays and you’re a homophobe and etc” is the equivalent of “RACIST!” It means the same thing, nowdays; the person screaming it is the real problem.
Don’t piss in my cornflakes and tell me it’s raining. I remember Babylon.
*Who do you suppose is on the $3? I bet it’s Truman Capote.
18 comments Og | Uncategorized
I know several gay people some of which I consider a friend. Luckily they are not of the activist mindset. Our conversations are fairly normal except that they might talk about that good looking guy over there in the same way I would talk about the good looking woman over there. With one guy he would joke with me quite a bit about how much he wanted me until one day I leaned over and kissed him on the mouth in front of everybody. He got a very startled look on his face and from that moment on his interest faded.
I do believe you are correct in that had the left not pushed this issue that homosexuality would have peacefully blended in.
The left want to have everyone be an Atheist. Or at least worshiping at the altar of the Government.
the government as the left sees it is a cover for Ba-al worship, or Satanism if you prefer. They will not be happy until the productive class is destroyed. At witch point they will ask themselves why did we do that.
My Wife was going on about redistribution of assets is fair upon your death. She says we don’t make enough to trigger the taxes associated with estates upon death.
If her dad heard that he would be spinning in his grave.
I got to come up with some argument to turn her back as I cannot let this stand.
As to gays, What a bunch of fruit loops.
Funny thing is that most people think $2 bills are fake or novelty money.
Well said… Live your life, let me live mine, and don’t try to shove YOUR (insert issue here) down my throat…
Indeed, NFO. Except the majority of people have purchased the shibboleth of the left hook line and sinker: “(Christians) are trying to force their morality on gays!”
No. We are not. That’s just a lie, and if you believe that lie you are not worth my time.
If he’s Jewish and gay, bet money my wife knows him :)
Other than that, I saw nothing in the above that I could not but agree wholeheartedly with. What Old NFO said, too.
When we next see one another I will tell you his name. Which, by the way, you have a bottle of something I’m looking for, and I owe you some money for it. We need to hook up soon.
What a lot of gay people (and I encounter a LOT of them, working in NYC) seem to insist upon is that their sexual proclivities are the most important, and interesting thing about themselves.
Frankly, if the most important and interesting thing about you is the mechanics by which you have sex, you’re a pretty petty and uninteresting person, and I’d rather not spend time with petty and uninteresting people.
I assume people don’t wish to know the details of my sex life. I make that assumption because I most emphatically don’t wish to know the details of anyone else’s sex life. If you insist upon getting in my face and TELLING me the details of your sex life, I choose not to spend time with you. I don’t care if your chosen partner is the same gender as you are, some other gender, or some combination of genders. The only time it’s of interest AT ALL is if your chosen partner is under the age of consent, and that’s liable to get you hit with a Stillson wrench.
Stick to the large non adjustable spud wrenches. No enclosed surfaces to clean the blood out of.
Thanks for this, helps clarify my own thinking that the Catholic church takes the same attitude towards lust and adultery regardless of the particular genders involved; it harms your soul, hurts your relationship to the Lord, and puts you in peril of losing that relationship permanently. So the Church welcomes people that are at risk, but insists on pointing out they are AT RISK. I know, crazy.
And I think your fears are warranted, I hope you are right about the resolve.
I don’t think there is any “Pointing out’ taking place. I certainly don’t see it, and I attend several churches. No, it’s just “Don’t expect us to celebrate your sin”
Well you can polish that tolerant, politically correct turd all you want, Og. A rational man cannot. What goes on in the gay bars is wrong. What goes on in the bath houses is wrong. The gay parades and lewd public conduct is wrong. That isn’t freedom of expression, that is mental illness and immorality running amok. And before ya say it, no, it ain’t right when straight people do it either.
Second – the left is not ‘putting the queers up to attacking the church’. The queers are attacking you of their own accord. You can expect those attacks to grow and intensify to. They will want an end to freedom of speech and they will be attacking the press shortly too. It happened in Europe, it’s happening in Canada and it WILL happen to you too.
Next on the agenda will be revised hate laws. These laws will allow gays, women, and minorities to dictate what you say and write in public. They will allow you to be prosecuted for jokes they don’t think are funny. They will make speaking the truth a punishable offense if the gays don’t like it.
So as you pat yourself on the back for being oh-so-insightful-and-tolerant…this is where your gay friends are going.
I know some queers are otherwise courteous, discrete and respectful. But they are the outliers – the vast majority of these people have screws loose and if you give them their way, your laws will soon have loose screws in them too.
The thing to remember about queers is that sometimes you have to look at them as a group. You have to look at their friends and allies. You have to look at where they are going – and where they will take YOU. It’s probably too late at this point, to do anything other than acknowledge the folly of your ways.
So: you can’t read, you have no reading comprehension, and you are interested in your own prejudices as opposed to facts. Thanks for illustrating what a moron you are. I live in Northwest Indiana, a few minutes search will tell you exactly why and where; come call me “Politically correct” to my face, and we’ll see just how many teeth you have.
I won’t be holding my breath, I’m used to dealing with cowards.
You’re right; thanks for pointing out my mistake.
$3 bill? James Buchanan, probably. :)
hah! I like that almost as much as Truman Capote!!
Sheesh, Bob, if you change the group you’re painting a picture of from “gays” to “blacks”, you’ll sound like my grandparents (G-d love em!). “What is up with those colored folks?” (Back during the marches in the 60o’s) “I just don’t understand them.” “Why the next thing you know they will want to move into our neighborhoods….don’t get me wrong….I love Sammy Davis Jr…and that BoJangles sure can dance…..but don’t you ever think about marrying one of them!” This was usually followed by I’m not racist…why we have ___ (insert number here) working at the plant…and (pick a name) is a great guy! I just don’t like em as a group!”
As far as the Church goes, and Christianity in general….Og is spot on.
It is all about how we treat each other. The people I work with, live with, have as friends and or acquaintances, is not based on the color of their skin, or their sexual orientation…it is based on how well we interact.
But to assume the Catholic Church, as a group, or Christianity/Christians are “out to get the gays”…is ridiculous. Yes, there are some “splinter groups” out there…but they are shunned for the most part, by the “rank and file”.
I have family who fall into this grouping of humanity…..I would much rather they get their act together in how they view the world, and how society/government is supposed to take care of them….straightened out (no pun intended)…than I worry about their sexual leanings. They have already paid (and are paying) a pretty high price for the path(s) they have followed already.
I was a sailor for 4 years. I’m pretty sure I showered in the presence of homosexuals from time to time (you Marines, I heard that! We are not all gay anyhow!). As long as they aren’t trying to fondle me, and anyone who actually knows gay folks knows it generally don’t go that way, I don’t care. Hell, a man I considered one of my closest friends turned out to be “transgender” awhile back. I still care about him, even if it’s sometimes uncomfortable for me.
I don’t care what you’re into, so long as it doesn’t involve harming the innocent. The problem is that the radical gay lobby (& there is certainly such a thing) doesn’t want tolerance or acceptance, the want approval of their lifestyle. I live & let live, but don’t ask me to put my stamp of approval on you.
“Racist” has, for me, lost any meaning it had. Being Southern, I’ve had it tossed at me all my life, despite having grown up around a lot of black folks, & loving some of them like family. When you’re all equally broke, it’s harder to care about color: eating is more important. Using that word is the equivalent of running out of rounds & throwing you weapon at someone. You’ve got nothing.