Geo Man conversation
So I write to GeoMan, this being the gist of my missive:
You have made a great point of explaining the scientific
process, and yet you accept the shibboleth of global warming as
dogma, when it clearly is not.
Less than five hundred years of temperature measurement exist. Less
than a hundred of that with any real level of calibration of the
instrumentation. All of that measurement has taken place on or near
land, with no data for the oceans, which cover a pretty large portion
of the planet. No knowledge of the temperature variation can be given
before that, except as reasonably educated wild ass guesses based on
any number of factors. We don’t know if the earth is warming or
cooling beyond the last hundred or so years, and what is more
important, we have NO idea if warming trends regularly cycle over the
course of thosands of years and by how much. All that exist are
guesses. Basing a theory of global warming on guesses is the worst
kind of junk science. Pity, your site seemed to show such promise.
The response?
All good points, but consider this: we are returning massive amounts of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere due to the burning of fossil fuels. Will this have an impact? I say yes. What do you think?
What did I think? This is what I thought:
“Less carbon dioxide by far than magmatic gasses and other tectonic activity have in similar time periods. It’s bunk. We cannot have any idea.
Does that mean we should just randomly go around doing everything we can to fuck up the planet? by no means. Every reasonable effort should be made to protect the environment- and by reasonable I mean regulations that allow people to live their lives (which includes motor vehicles, like it or not) and allows businesses to exist and profit.
The earth is ours. We can take care of it, and exist with it, and we can do so without fear mongering pseudoscientific garbage putting unnecessary restriction on people’s lives.
By the way: I live on the front lines, and not in an ivory tower. Stricter and more stringent regulations by the EPA and other state and local agencies have had the effect of driving smokestack industries to push their manufacturing elsewhere. Places like China. Where there are NO restrictions. The net effect has been this: Steel production, which will ALWAYS proceed, has gone from having 90% of it’s emissions scrubbed and cleaned (in the USA) to having all it’s emissions dumped directly into the atmosphere (china, eastern Europe). The primary source for this move has been the tightening of EPA restrictions, the secondary and tertiary being OSHA and Union pressure. So what has this done? taken the business from US industries who were making slow but reasonable efforts to reduce emissions, and handed jobs, business, cash flow to countries where human life is meaningless and where no restrictions on emissions exist.
At the end, the earth will deal with the effect of humans as it has dealt with the effect of every other species; it will carry on. With a planet obviously unchanged in any physical way by, say, the dinosaurs, who generated more carbon emissions than all the cars that ever drove on or off any road, it is not only ludicrous to think Humans can have lasting effects on the planet, it is immeasurable pomposity. “
I didn’t hear anything for a couple of days so I wrote back:
So, are you researching for your response to my last email, or have you chosen to ignore it?
and got this response:
I’m choosing to ignore it – way too much negative energy for an
overworked geologist during a hectic summer.
These are the people educating our children.
Welcome to fucktard friday
18 comments Og | Uncategorized

Dude, your negative
vibes are harshing my mellow. Why can’t we call just
get along?”
The guy ought to read Lomborg. Of course I imagine that would be so much negative energy that he’d implode.
Makes home schooling look more and more attractive all the time.
What a fucking tard, and such a typical response from a treehugging, chipmonk blowing, douchebag.
What’s the old saying? Put up or shut up?
Excellent response Og, not all that negative if you think about, seems kinda positive to me with the Earth NOT dieing and all.
Wow. How disappointing.
Dude, your negative vibes are harshing my mellow. Why can’t we call just get along?
Looks like it’s the email address that’s getting it blocked, Og. Feel free to delete this comment and my duplicate comment there.
Nah. More fun this way.
Yeah, Og, but what about we insensitive bastards who are running around on ’82 motorcycles, polluting the hell out of things?
Oops.
By the way, I just bought sprockets & chain for my CB450. Grab yer wallet–$150, shipping included, at Bikebandit. I figure the 900F’ll cost me at least $400.
God I miss the ol’ CB900F.
First bike I ever owned that was capable of going supersonic.
I must go cry now.
budd, you are a total goofball. Your nearest industrial supply house will have that chain a couple bucks a foot, and I have extra sprokets off a donor bike. Chain for the Suzuki? $11.
ROFL – it’s hysterical how he categorizes your comments as “negative” what a hoot. He says the world will end because we’re too stupid to stop shooting polution into the atmosphere – you say no – we’ll be fine… and YOU are negative. OMG that’s the funniest thing I’ve heard in years.
Yeah – he does need to read Lomborg. Unfortunately he wouldn’t understand. Bjorn’s got like real factual information and since it pretty much shows that things are improving – I’m sure this would drive the geoman to contemplate jumping out the nearest window.
Good gawdamighty! I think you almost made him cough up that granola bar. Right into the bong!
And I’ll bet he nearly lost his grip on the tree, flailing his arms around.
Questionable content?
I’ll try removing my email…
Bwah! I checked out some of his (GeoTard’s) site:
“This is your chance to ask GeoMan any earth or space science question you want. Be warned, however: the “nature of nature” is such that I may not be able to come up with a reasonable answer! If I can’t, I will be sure to tell you (as opposed to making up some bogus response).”
Uh, yeah. ‘Reasonable answer’ or ‘bogus response’. Which one was that anyway?
Og, you’ve done gone ahead and violated the Third Rule of Entertaining Discussions with Liberals:
You’ve challenged his perfect opinion with hard fact. I was born in Gary in 1964 and grew up there, so I remember the sky being orange and yellow and always smelling like rotten egg from the emissions. Slowly, air quality became better. Somewhat because the darn mills scaled back, but somewhat from stack scrubbers and other technology. Remember how badly semi’s belched smoke like a coal locomotive? Now they’re practically invisible, unless you’re starting one on a subzero day. Are we beating the planet like we used to? No. But China and Slovakia etc. are.
Darn liberals start out with a great idea, but go so stupid the other way with it that no one wants to be with that craziness. I love what we’ve done in my lifetime with cleaning up the world and with recycling. But damn, like you said, we do have to f’in LIVE, and we do leave a footprint, so what. Libs want it so we don’t leave any impact, and try to guilt you more than all the Catholic nuns and Jewish mothers combined if you’re not with them and their apocalypse vision.
Sounds like a couple of the teachers my daughter had in high school. And THAT is a species that needs to be endangered.
Aren’t all teachers like this? I know mine where growing up.
Negative, positive – those are the attributes of electricity. His command of rigorous “scientific process” is debased when he anthropomorphizes conductivity and attaches to it human “feelings.” Or even when he attributes them to himself.
Since the “Warming” is supposedly Global our friend The Englishman has posted an excellent graph of temperatures in Britain, from the 1678 to 1988 – pretty narrow range of differences besides some cold-spells in July…